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	<title>Comments on: Finale or Sibelius - Notation Software</title>
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	<description>Resources for Leading Worship from Bob Kauflin</description>
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		<title>By: Jim Brown</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jim Brown</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Dec 2008 23:20:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Let me throw in a vote for Finale - although I haven't tried Sibelius.  I do overflow work from time to time for a professional engraver/editor so I had to buy Finale.  The recent versions are great, no problems, although there is a learning curve but that's the case with just about anything that's worth learning.  Also worth noting is that I use a PC and he uses a Mac - we had one minor issue with a template but after that it's been smooth sailing.
-jim</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Let me throw in a vote for Finale - although I haven&#8217;t tried Sibelius.  I do overflow work from time to time for a professional engraver/editor so I had to buy Finale.  The recent versions are great, no problems, although there is a learning curve but that&#8217;s the case with just about anything that&#8217;s worth learning.  Also worth noting is that I use a PC and he uses a Mac - we had one minor issue with a template but after that it&#8217;s been smooth sailing.<br />
-jim</p>
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		<title>By: Bob Kauflin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bob Kauflin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Dec 2008 20:09:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jeremy, 

Could you send me your email address again? The one you sent me didn't work.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jeremy, </p>
<p>Could you send me your email address again? The one you sent me didn&#8217;t work.</p>
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		<title>By: Bob Kauflin</title>
		<link>http://www.worshipmatters.com/2008/09/finale-or-sibelius-notation-software/comment-page-1/#comment-29074</link>
		<dc:creator>Bob Kauflin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Dec 2008 02:00:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Robin,

Thanks for stopping by and letting us know about the quick start guide.

Jeremy,

Sorry it's taken me so long to get to your questions. If you contact me below I'll be happy to send you our house style sheet for our lead sheets. A good Sibelius forum can be found at http://www.sibeliusforum.com/forums/faq.php.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Robin,</p>
<p>Thanks for stopping by and letting us know about the quick start guide.</p>
<p>Jeremy,</p>
<p>Sorry it&#8217;s taken me so long to get to your questions. If you contact me below I&#8217;ll be happy to send you our house style sheet for our lead sheets. A good Sibelius forum can be found at <a href="http://www.sibeliusforum.com/forums/faq.php" rel="nofollow">http://www.sibeliusforum.com/forums/faq.php</a>.</p>
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		<title>By: Robin Hodson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Robin Hodson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Dec 2008 00:36:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi folks,

i actually work for Sibelius as training manager for east coast USA. We have some great free tutorial resources for download on this page, including a quick start guide which contains almost everything you need to know about Sibeliuus in 26 pages:  www.sibelius.com/helpcenter/hintsandtips</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi folks,</p>
<p>i actually work for Sibelius as training manager for east coast USA. We have some great free tutorial resources for download on this page, including a quick start guide which contains almost everything you need to know about Sibeliuus in 26 pages:  <a href="http://www.sibelius.com/helpcenter/hintsandtips" rel="nofollow">http://www.sibelius.com/helpcenter/hintsandtips</a></p>
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		<title>By: Jeremy Sauskojus</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jeremy Sauskojus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Nov 2008 18:35:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bob,
Here's another question.  Is there a Sibelius on-line user group that serves as a sounding board for questions people have?  I have used Finale for about 8 years.  I did the cross-switch to Sibelius, but I have had some trouble with the learning curve of Sibelius.  Any thoughts?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bob,<br />
Here&#8217;s another question.  Is there a Sibelius on-line user group that serves as a sounding board for questions people have?  I have used Finale for about 8 years.  I did the cross-switch to Sibelius, but I have had some trouble with the learning curve of Sibelius.  Any thoughts?</p>
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		<title>By: Jeremy Sauskojus</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jeremy Sauskojus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Nov 2008 17:55:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bob,
what are the font/notation settings you use for Sibelius when you make lead sheets?  I have been trying to find something that resembles the finished product you offer as downloadable lead sheets . . .
Do you have any thoughts?
Thanks!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bob,<br />
what are the font/notation settings you use for Sibelius when you make lead sheets?  I have been trying to find something that resembles the finished product you offer as downloadable lead sheets . . .<br />
Do you have any thoughts?<br />
Thanks!</p>
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		<title>By: Michael Schutz</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michael Schutz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Sep 2008 17:47:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As a full-time Minister of Worship, I use Sibelius. I used a lower-grade version of Finale in college (late 90's), and that was my entry into notation software. I discovered Sibelius a few years ago and love it, am now using v5. I haven't used Finale for a few years, so I can't make an up-to-date informed comparison, but Sibelius is very easy to use (relative to its capabilities, sure - there's always a learning curve).

Right now I use it primarily for lead sheets for my music teams - doing my own arrangements and songs. (On a side note - I'm a big believer in using lead sheets as opposed to chord charts - it unifies people on melodies, helps harmonies get learned more quickly, and encourages better musicianship by following an actual song form with endings, etc. It also makes my leading at rehearsals better by being able to say "let's look at measure 56", instead of "let's look at the second verse, third line, you know that one note on the word "love"?)

Other helpful things (not exclusive to Sibelius, but to notation software in general) are scanning/OCR programs to scan in sheet music so you don't have to start from scratch with new arrangements (Sibelius' included basic version of PhotoScore will get keys and notes in - you can upgrade to a Pro version which imports everything), and a basic MIDI keyboard to input notes. I use a little 25-key Oxygen8 that works great - so much faster than using mouse/keyboard, even for step-time input.

I also use it for creating worksheets/reference sheets to help out musicians too, which is nice. When I interned, I got that church started using simple lead sheets for their powerpoint, which I thin is a great idea. I haven't implemented that here yet, but if/when I can get an assistant :) , I might have time to do some of that...

Just some thoughts from a guy in the trenches. Hope that's helpful...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As a full-time Minister of Worship, I use Sibelius. I used a lower-grade version of Finale in college (late 90&#8217;s), and that was my entry into notation software. I discovered Sibelius a few years ago and love it, am now using v5. I haven&#8217;t used Finale for a few years, so I can&#8217;t make an up-to-date informed comparison, but Sibelius is very easy to use (relative to its capabilities, sure - there&#8217;s always a learning curve).</p>
<p>Right now I use it primarily for lead sheets for my music teams - doing my own arrangements and songs. (On a side note - I&#8217;m a big believer in using lead sheets as opposed to chord charts - it unifies people on melodies, helps harmonies get learned more quickly, and encourages better musicianship by following an actual song form with endings, etc. It also makes my leading at rehearsals better by being able to say &#8220;let&#8217;s look at measure 56&#8243;, instead of &#8220;let&#8217;s look at the second verse, third line, you know that one note on the word &#8220;love&#8221;?)</p>
<p>Other helpful things (not exclusive to Sibelius, but to notation software in general) are scanning/OCR programs to scan in sheet music so you don&#8217;t have to start from scratch with new arrangements (Sibelius&#8217; included basic version of PhotoScore will get keys and notes in - you can upgrade to a Pro version which imports everything), and a basic MIDI keyboard to input notes. I use a little 25-key Oxygen8 that works great - so much faster than using mouse/keyboard, even for step-time input.</p>
<p>I also use it for creating worksheets/reference sheets to help out musicians too, which is nice. When I interned, I got that church started using simple lead sheets for their powerpoint, which I thin is a great idea. I haven&#8217;t implemented that here yet, but if/when I can get an assistant :) , I might have time to do some of that&#8230;</p>
<p>Just some thoughts from a guy in the trenches. Hope that&#8217;s helpful&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: John</title>
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		<dc:creator>John</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Sep 2008 14:38:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sibelius typically includes backwards compatibility. For example in Sibelius 5 - you can save a file as a version 2,3,or 4 file. Thus enabling you to share files with folks who are using older versions. The Finale business model of shutting out older users drives me crazy too. And with a new version every August - I gave up in frustration.

John
St Andrews Episcopal</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sibelius typically includes backwards compatibility. For example in Sibelius 5 - you can save a file as a version 2,3,or 4 file. Thus enabling you to share files with folks who are using older versions. The Finale business model of shutting out older users drives me crazy too. And with a new version every August - I gave up in frustration.</p>
<p>John<br />
St Andrews Episcopal</p>
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		<title>By: Luke Brodine</title>
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		<dc:creator>Luke Brodine</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Sep 2008 23:04:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>re: opening Finale w/ Sibelius...

I had been working with a similar co-worker setup, needing to transfer files between the two programs.  The way we got around it was to save the Finale file as an ETF file, which would open up no prob in Sibelius.  The wonderful folks over at Finale, though, have now put an end to this workaround by removing the ETF capability with the release of Finale 2008.  I have stuck with my version of 2007 in order to keep this "handshake" going, and perhaps Finale 2008 has some new feature to do this that I haven't found, &lt;i&gt;but this is one of the most aggravating things about Finale.&lt;/i&gt;

A similar nuisance is that earlier versions of Finale cannot open files saved in a later version. (e.g. I can't open a file saved with 2008 with my 2007 software)  Does Sibelius have this same version road block?

(a little about myself: I have been using Finale since I purchased Finale 1998.  I was "trained" on it in school, so it's the only thing I've known.  I love that it gives me omnipotence as an engraver, as I still have some pro printing gigs, but most of my notation work day-to-day is writing charts that don't need the pro touch.  I've gotten the Sibelius bug a few times, and this deal is too good to pass up, so I may be a new man by month's end)

Bob, thanks a megaton for posting this!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>re: opening Finale w/ Sibelius&#8230;</p>
<p>I had been working with a similar co-worker setup, needing to transfer files between the two programs.  The way we got around it was to save the Finale file as an ETF file, which would open up no prob in Sibelius.  The wonderful folks over at Finale, though, have now put an end to this workaround by removing the ETF capability with the release of Finale 2008.  I have stuck with my version of 2007 in order to keep this &#8220;handshake&#8221; going, and perhaps Finale 2008 has some new feature to do this that I haven&#8217;t found, <i>but this is one of the most aggravating things about Finale.</i></p>
<p>A similar nuisance is that earlier versions of Finale cannot open files saved in a later version. (e.g. I can&#8217;t open a file saved with 2008 with my 2007 software)  Does Sibelius have this same version road block?</p>
<p>(a little about myself: I have been using Finale since I purchased Finale 1998.  I was &#8220;trained&#8221; on it in school, so it&#8217;s the only thing I&#8217;ve known.  I love that it gives me omnipotence as an engraver, as I still have some pro printing gigs, but most of my notation work day-to-day is writing charts that don&#8217;t need the pro touch.  I&#8217;ve gotten the Sibelius bug a few times, and this deal is too good to pass up, so I may be a new man by month&#8217;s end)</p>
<p>Bob, thanks a megaton for posting this!</p>
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		<title>By: Shawn Gierling</title>
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		<dc:creator>Shawn Gierling</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Sep 2008 13:17:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have been using Sibelius G7 for about a year.  It's designed for guitarists and will notate tab, But I use it for leadsheets, tab, and vocal arrangements.  This would be more than sufficient for most church musicians.

Finale even in the free version was way to complex.  I also used a British program called Mozart 99.  Easy to use and inexpensive.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have been using Sibelius G7 for about a year.  It&#8217;s designed for guitarists and will notate tab, But I use it for leadsheets, tab, and vocal arrangements.  This would be more than sufficient for most church musicians.</p>
<p>Finale even in the free version was way to complex.  I also used a British program called Mozart 99.  Easy to use and inexpensive.</p>
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