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	<title>Comments on: Should We Use Secular Songs on Sundays?</title>
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		<title>By: Dave</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dave</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 May 2008 03:41:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey Everyone,

 Needless to say, God is bigger than any box we may try to fit Him in and is capable of using anything to reveal His glory so just one caution... Remember the the last seven words of a dying church. "We've never done it that way before!"

With that said, in an outreach setting secular songs are sometimes the best way to illustrate the human condition. As special music, clearly separated from the act of worship in a church setting, secular music can set the scene. It can work as long as the motivation is God centered and the song illustrates the focus of the Word.

During worship, inside a church on a Sunday morning, Id have to agree that secular songs can trigger past memories and distract people away from the intimacy of what great worship can be. Tread lightly. In this setting, anything that tugs people away from the worship dynamic is never good. Secular music is just one example of this. Lack of skill, tuning problems, poor sound, cheer leading, lack of adequate rehearsal time can be equally injurious to a worship setting. I sometimes wish there would be as much outrage about these things as the use of secular music in church. But thats for another day.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey Everyone,</p>
<p> Needless to say, God is bigger than any box we may try to fit Him in and is capable of using anything to reveal His glory so just one caution&#8230; Remember the the last seven words of a dying church. &#8220;We&#8217;ve never done it that way before!&#8221;</p>
<p>With that said, in an outreach setting secular songs are sometimes the best way to illustrate the human condition. As special music, clearly separated from the act of worship in a church setting, secular music can set the scene. It can work as long as the motivation is God centered and the song illustrates the focus of the Word.</p>
<p>During worship, inside a church on a Sunday morning, Id have to agree that secular songs can trigger past memories and distract people away from the intimacy of what great worship can be. Tread lightly. In this setting, anything that tugs people away from the worship dynamic is never good. Secular music is just one example of this. Lack of skill, tuning problems, poor sound, cheer leading, lack of adequate rehearsal time can be equally injurious to a worship setting. I sometimes wish there would be as much outrage about these things as the use of secular music in church. But thats for another day.</p>
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		<title>By: Jessa Gray</title>
		<link>http://www.worshipmatters.com/2007/08/should-we-use-secular-songs-on-sundays/#comment-8246</link>
		<dc:creator>Jessa Gray</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 May 2008 00:00:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wonderful post.  

I believe that "secular" can be interpreted in many ways, especially in reference to music.  In some ways, I feel like God could view even a worship/Christian song as secular if it were sung with the wrong motives.  In the same way, I believe that singing a "secular" song with good, pure lyrics can please and glorify Him.  As far as boundaries and crossing the line, I think that songs like "Your Body is a Wonderland" is pretty clearly an "off-limits" song for the church. It's slightly amusing and ridiculous to me to think about a congregation singing that song together in church, as if that exalts God in any way....? Weird.  

However, there are some songs like "Everything" by Lifehouse that completely relate to a Christian's relationship with Christ.  I believe singing that or something similar with the right heart and the right attitude blesses God and can bring a congregation of believers and non-believers alike together in a setting of worship.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wonderful post.  </p>
<p>I believe that &#8220;secular&#8221; can be interpreted in many ways, especially in reference to music.  In some ways, I feel like God could view even a worship/Christian song as secular if it were sung with the wrong motives.  In the same way, I believe that singing a &#8220;secular&#8221; song with good, pure lyrics can please and glorify Him.  As far as boundaries and crossing the line, I think that songs like &#8220;Your Body is a Wonderland&#8221; is pretty clearly an &#8220;off-limits&#8221; song for the church. It&#8217;s slightly amusing and ridiculous to me to think about a congregation singing that song together in church, as if that exalts God in any way&#8230;.? Weird.  </p>
<p>However, there are some songs like &#8220;Everything&#8221; by Lifehouse that completely relate to a Christian&#8217;s relationship with Christ.  I believe singing that or something similar with the right heart and the right attitude blesses God and can bring a congregation of believers and non-believers alike together in a setting of worship.</p>
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		<title>By: Jonathan</title>
		<link>http://www.worshipmatters.com/2007/08/should-we-use-secular-songs-on-sundays/#comment-8182</link>
		<dc:creator>Jonathan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 May 2008 03:49:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well Bob, you did it again, the idea of playing secular music in church is interesting. It seems as though context is the answer to whether the song is appropriate. Of course, certain songs, all with explicitives would be out of the question, unless of course, you are in some new age church that doesn't have a problem with cussing (Cussing and still being a Christian - an issue which I stand on the fence personally).

Anyways, I strongly believe that if a worship team in a mature congregation properly addresses the reason for playing a secular song, the congregation should be able to listen to it and find the value that the team intended. Of course, most churches are made up of a variety of people with differing maturities, so listening to a secular song would mostly be distracting.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well Bob, you did it again, the idea of playing secular music in church is interesting. It seems as though context is the answer to whether the song is appropriate. Of course, certain songs, all with explicitives would be out of the question, unless of course, you are in some new age church that doesn&#8217;t have a problem with cussing (Cussing and still being a Christian - an issue which I stand on the fence personally).</p>
<p>Anyways, I strongly believe that if a worship team in a mature congregation properly addresses the reason for playing a secular song, the congregation should be able to listen to it and find the value that the team intended. Of course, most churches are made up of a variety of people with differing maturities, so listening to a secular song would mostly be distracting.</p>
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		<title>By: Rachel Whitfield</title>
		<link>http://www.worshipmatters.com/2007/08/should-we-use-secular-songs-on-sundays/#comment-8000</link>
		<dc:creator>Rachel Whitfield</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 May 2008 00:13:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I was able to relate to this post, for a Christian youth conference I attended in high school, I heard some secular songs playing that caught me off guard. I asked the same question Bob did in his second point: “What are people hearing as these songs are being played?” The songs were partly instrumental, cutting out verses or various portions of the songs. I figured the unchurched youth hearing these songs would think, “Typical Christians, wanting our music but editing out half the song.” I was caught off guard and personally convicted in knowing the words that were edited and that these songs were being played, edited or not, in the church. 

Relating to Bob’s final paragraph, I knew not only the lyrics to these songs but also what people associated with them. I was embarrassed that these songs in all their words and underlying innuendos were playing.  
The most convicting and constructive statement made by Bob is that every aspect of our services, not just the music, should be used to communicate truth. I believe all of us in the church, especially those involved in planning and carrying out, should keep this in mind.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was able to relate to this post, for a Christian youth conference I attended in high school, I heard some secular songs playing that caught me off guard. I asked the same question Bob did in his second point: “What are people hearing as these songs are being played?” The songs were partly instrumental, cutting out verses or various portions of the songs. I figured the unchurched youth hearing these songs would think, “Typical Christians, wanting our music but editing out half the song.” I was caught off guard and personally convicted in knowing the words that were edited and that these songs were being played, edited or not, in the church. </p>
<p>Relating to Bob’s final paragraph, I knew not only the lyrics to these songs but also what people associated with them. I was embarrassed that these songs in all their words and underlying innuendos were playing.<br />
The most convicting and constructive statement made by Bob is that every aspect of our services, not just the music, should be used to communicate truth. I believe all of us in the church, especially those involved in planning and carrying out, should keep this in mind.</p>
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		<title>By: Adam K.</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 03 May 2008 20:09:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The goal here is for edification of the whole body. There are "secular" songs out there that portray Christian themes stronger and better than most "Christian" songs I know. Regardless if the song is "secular" or "Christian", if it is not used in the right way you are in trouble anyway. Edification is the goal.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The goal here is for edification of the whole body. There are &#8220;secular&#8221; songs out there that portray Christian themes stronger and better than most &#8220;Christian&#8221; songs I know. Regardless if the song is &#8220;secular&#8221; or &#8220;Christian&#8221;, if it is not used in the right way you are in trouble anyway. Edification is the goal.</p>
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		<title>By: DOchoa</title>
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		<dc:creator>DOchoa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 May 2008 15:10:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If used in the proper manner for sermon content, a secular song could be good in a sermon. But as Bob stated, the audience could take it totally out of context and it could greatly offend "regulars", scare off potential "new members" and attract people for the "wrong reasons". There is a whole slew of good and bad possibilities that come along with using secular music and whichever way the Worship leader chooses to go, prayer should always be sought first before a decision and then it should be incorporated into the sermon with Christian songs-and thoroughly explained if and when used.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If used in the proper manner for sermon content, a secular song could be good in a sermon. But as Bob stated, the audience could take it totally out of context and it could greatly offend &#8220;regulars&#8221;, scare off potential &#8220;new members&#8221; and attract people for the &#8220;wrong reasons&#8221;. There is a whole slew of good and bad possibilities that come along with using secular music and whichever way the Worship leader chooses to go, prayer should always be sought first before a decision and then it should be incorporated into the sermon with Christian songs-and thoroughly explained if and when used.</p>
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		<title>By: Steve</title>
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		<dc:creator>Steve</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Apr 2008 18:38:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Many of our favorite hymns are written to popular bar tunes. The Wesley brothers often did this to make songs easier to learn, and to break down barriers between the churched and the unchurched. The same can be done today with secular songs with appropriate lyrics, and with secular songs with rewritten lyrics.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Many of our favorite hymns are written to popular bar tunes. The Wesley brothers often did this to make songs easier to learn, and to break down barriers between the churched and the unchurched. The same can be done today with secular songs with appropriate lyrics, and with secular songs with rewritten lyrics.</p>
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		<title>By: James Payne</title>
		<link>http://www.worshipmatters.com/2007/08/should-we-use-secular-songs-on-sundays/#comment-7048</link>
		<dc:creator>James Payne</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 31 Mar 2008 18:10:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think that the original poster Bob is a silly man.  It is as though someone asked if it is appropriate to show clips of films during a church service and Bob cited a porno film, ofcourse you shouldn't glorify sex outside of marriage, but look at Hamburg Song by Keane:
I don't wanna be adored
Don't wanna be first in line
Or make myself heard
I'd like to bring a little light
To shine a light on your life
To make you feel loved

No, don't wanna be the only one you know
I wanna be the place you call home

I lay myself down
To make it so, but you don't want to know
I give much more
Than I'd ever ask for


Will you see me in the end
Or is it just a waste of time
Trying to be your friend
Just shine, shine, shine
Shine a little light
Shine a light on my life
And warm me up again

Fool, I wonder if you know yourself at all
You know that it could be so simple

I lay myself down
To make it so, but you don't want to know
You take much more
Than I'd ever ask for


Say a word or two to brighten my day
Do you think that you could see your way

To lay yourself down
And make it so, but you don't want to know
You take much more
Than I'd ever ask for

....Tell me that wouldn't be appropriate for a church service.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think that the original poster Bob is a silly man.  It is as though someone asked if it is appropriate to show clips of films during a church service and Bob cited a porno film, ofcourse you shouldn&#8217;t glorify sex outside of marriage, but look at Hamburg Song by Keane:<br />
I don&#8217;t wanna be adored<br />
Don&#8217;t wanna be first in line<br />
Or make myself heard<br />
I&#8217;d like to bring a little light<br />
To shine a light on your life<br />
To make you feel loved</p>
<p>No, don&#8217;t wanna be the only one you know<br />
I wanna be the place you call home</p>
<p>I lay myself down<br />
To make it so, but you don&#8217;t want to know<br />
I give much more<br />
Than I&#8217;d ever ask for</p>
<p>Will you see me in the end<br />
Or is it just a waste of time<br />
Trying to be your friend<br />
Just shine, shine, shine<br />
Shine a little light<br />
Shine a light on my life<br />
And warm me up again</p>
<p>Fool, I wonder if you know yourself at all<br />
You know that it could be so simple</p>
<p>I lay myself down<br />
To make it so, but you don&#8217;t want to know<br />
You take much more<br />
Than I&#8217;d ever ask for</p>
<p>Say a word or two to brighten my day<br />
Do you think that you could see your way</p>
<p>To lay yourself down<br />
And make it so, but you don&#8217;t want to know<br />
You take much more<br />
Than I&#8217;d ever ask for</p>
<p>&#8230;.Tell me that wouldn&#8217;t be appropriate for a church service.</p>
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		<title>By: Ellen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ellen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 29 Mar 2008 22:04:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I do think however, that secular music can be good to use in a small group/Sunday school setting. I’ve used it with a class of high-schoolers for the purpose of playing it alongside Christian music and paralleling worldly values with those we are called as Christians to hold.

Comment by Tiffany — March 5, 2008 @ 10:23 pm 


Tiffany, I teach youth Grade 6-9 and I use that same idea about once a month.  Can you tell me names of songs you have used?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I do think however, that secular music can be good to use in a small group/Sunday school setting. I’ve used it with a class of high-schoolers for the purpose of playing it alongside Christian music and paralleling worldly values with those we are called as Christians to hold.</p>
<p>Comment by Tiffany — March 5, 2008 @ 10:23 pm </p>
<p>Tiffany, I teach youth Grade 6-9 and I use that same idea about once a month.  Can you tell me names of songs you have used?</p>
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		<title>By: Tiffany</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tiffany</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Mar 2008 03:23:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You know, this is very interesting.  And I whole-heartedly believe that secular music should NOT be used during services.  I think you've covered all of the reasons why, and I agree with you.  I do think however, that secular music can be good to use in a small group/Sunday school setting.  I've used it with a class of high-schoolers for the purpose of playing it alongside Christian music and paralleling worldly values with those we are called as Christians to hold.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You know, this is very interesting.  And I whole-heartedly believe that secular music should NOT be used during services.  I think you&#8217;ve covered all of the reasons why, and I agree with you.  I do think however, that secular music can be good to use in a small group/Sunday school setting.  I&#8217;ve used it with a class of high-schoolers for the purpose of playing it alongside Christian music and paralleling worldly values with those we are called as Christians to hold.</p>
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