Comments on: Baptism and Worship http://www.worshipmatters.com/2007/08/baptism-and-wor/ Resources for Leading Worship from Bob Kauflin Tue, 06 Jan 2009 12:43:52 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.7 hourly 1 By: Brendan Beale http://www.worshipmatters.com/2007/08/baptism-and-wor/comment-page-1/#comment-1588 Brendan Beale Wed, 15 Aug 2007 17:14:23 +0000 http://www.worshipmatters.com?p=308#comment-1588 Bob, Thank you so much for your ministry- it is a great encouragement to me. I have a question that doesn't directly pertain to this topic, but it's been something I've been wondering about, and I'd love it if you could address it at some point. My question is this: what place should the worship of the Holy Spirit have in a corporate setting? I have noticed that many songs ("Glory To" by Sovereign Grace, for example) directly praise the Father and the Son, but leave the Holy Spirit out. I understand that the Holy Spirit's ministry is to glorify Jesus Christ (John 16:14), but since He is equal in glory with the Father and the Son, it seems that we should be including Him for a more authentic worship of the Trinity. As a worship leader, I've been particularly bothered by this (I wrote a third verse to "Glory To" to make up for it), and I wanted to know your thoughts on the topic. Thanks and God bless, Brendan Beale Bob,
Thank you so much for your ministry- it is a great encouragement to me. I have a question that doesn’t directly pertain to this topic, but it’s been something I’ve been wondering about, and I’d love it if you could address it at some point.

My question is this: what place should the worship of the Holy Spirit have in a corporate setting? I have noticed that many songs (”Glory To” by Sovereign Grace, for example) directly praise the Father and the Son, but leave the Holy Spirit out. I understand that the Holy Spirit’s ministry is to glorify Jesus Christ (John 16:14), but since He is equal in glory with the Father and the Son, it seems that we should be including Him for a more authentic worship of the Trinity. As a worship leader, I’ve been particularly bothered by this (I wrote a third verse to “Glory To” to make up for it), and I wanted to know your thoughts on the topic.

Thanks and God bless,
Brendan Beale

]]> By: Amanda http://www.worshipmatters.com/2007/08/baptism-and-wor/comment-page-1/#comment-1587 Amanda Sun, 12 Aug 2007 03:17:01 +0000 http://www.worshipmatters.com?p=308#comment-1587 What a beautiful post relating baptism & worship! In all honesty, I've never thought of it this way, but looking back on my own baptism (which wasn't all that long ago, actually), I see how it truly was an act of worship. Something I've always wanted to do as a group is go out to a nearby river & have all celebrate this as such by being baptized symbolically--like renewing our vows--& doing so as I now realize from reading your post--an act of worship, love & gratitude toward our Lord & Savior. What a beautiful thing it is & even more so how the act of it shows that we have entrusted our lives to serving, loving & worshiping Him! What a beautiful post relating baptism & worship! In all honesty, I’ve never thought of it this way, but looking back on my own baptism (which wasn’t all that long ago, actually), I see how it truly was an act of worship.

Something I’ve always wanted to do as a group is go out to a nearby river & have all celebrate this as such by being baptized symbolically–like renewing our vows–& doing so as I now realize from reading your post–an act of worship, love & gratitude toward our Lord & Savior. What a beautiful thing it is & even more so how the act of it shows that we have entrusted our lives to serving, loving & worshiping Him!

]]> By: Won http://www.worshipmatters.com/2007/08/baptism-and-wor/comment-page-1/#comment-1586 Won Fri, 10 Aug 2007 14:49:55 +0000 http://www.worshipmatters.com?p=308#comment-1586 bob! how are you? once again, thank you for an invaluable year at the PC... also, "potentially even twice a month" on sundays?! that is great. please pray for City Church as we strive to grow in a biblical understanding of the ordinances/sacraments and obediently applying them to our church more faithfully. bob! how are you? once again, thank you for an invaluable year at the PC…

also, “potentially even twice a month” on sundays?! that is great. please pray for City Church as we strive to grow in a biblical understanding of the ordinances/sacraments and obediently applying them to our church more faithfully.

]]> By: Matthew Westerholm http://www.worshipmatters.com/2007/08/baptism-and-wor/comment-page-1/#comment-1585 Matthew Westerholm Fri, 10 Aug 2007 13:50:25 +0000 http://www.worshipmatters.com?p=308#comment-1585 Our church uses a twist on video testimonies. Because we have multiple services (and locations, for that matter), we will often use <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SDmgC3fbvIc" rel="nofollow">a recap video</a> so that our whole church can see how the Lord is working. You can see it <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SDmgC3fbvIc" rel="nofollow">here</a>. Our church uses a twist on video testimonies. Because we have multiple services (and locations, for that matter), we will often use a recap video so that our whole church can see how the Lord is working. You can see it here.

]]> By: Brendt http://www.worshipmatters.com/2007/08/baptism-and-wor/comment-page-1/#comment-1584 Brendt Thu, 09 Aug 2007 19:02:18 +0000 http://www.worshipmatters.com?p=308#comment-1584 I like the pool, too. It says that not only is obedience better than sacrifice (like Scripture tells us), but it's also better than aesthetics. I'm also tickled pink for Josh about his father-in-law. Not in any way decrying your decision to have an "in-house" baptistry and observe the sacrament in Sunday service. But I think it's moreso an issue that you guys got the right idea about the sacrament first, and THEN got the baptistry. Lots of churches with "in-house" baptistries have the same disconnect as "a bunch friends baptizing each other in a pool". I like the pool, too. It says that not only is obedience better than sacrifice (like Scripture tells us), but it’s also better than aesthetics.

I’m also tickled pink for Josh about his father-in-law.

Not in any way decrying your decision to have an “in-house” baptistry and observe the sacrament in Sunday service. But I think it’s moreso an issue that you guys got the right idea about the sacrament first, and THEN got the baptistry. Lots of churches with “in-house” baptistries have the same disconnect as “a bunch friends baptizing each other in a pool”.

]]> By: Stephen Altrogge http://www.worshipmatters.com/2007/08/baptism-and-wor/comment-page-1/#comment-1583 Stephen Altrogge Thu, 09 Aug 2007 14:01:49 +0000 http://www.worshipmatters.com?p=308#comment-1583 Bob, This was an outstanding post. I plan on forwarding this to my dad to get his thoughts on how we might implement something similar. Stephen Bob,

This was an outstanding post. I plan on forwarding this to my dad to get his thoughts on how we might implement something similar.

Stephen

]]> By: Billy Chia http://www.worshipmatters.com/2007/08/baptism-and-wor/comment-page-1/#comment-1582 Billy Chia Thu, 09 Aug 2007 06:14:35 +0000 http://www.worshipmatters.com?p=308#comment-1582 Bob, I got baptized this weekend. I like the inflate-a-pool. Bob,

I got baptized this weekend.

I like the inflate-a-pool.

]]> By: Matt Mason http://www.worshipmatters.com/2007/08/baptism-and-wor/comment-page-1/#comment-1581 Matt Mason Wed, 08 Aug 2007 19:18:37 +0000 http://www.worshipmatters.com?p=308#comment-1581 Great stuff! Thanks for posting. I'm downloading Josh's message right now. I'm curious as to whether you all had a primary book that you read through as you studied the topic? I've just started to read through Believer's Baptism, edited by Schreiner and Wright. It has been a very good read so far but I'm interested to find out if you all found something else that was especially helpful in thinking this through. Thanks again! Great stuff! Thanks for posting. I’m downloading Josh’s message right now. I’m curious as to whether you all had a primary book that you read through as you studied the topic? I’ve just started to read through Believer’s Baptism, edited by Schreiner and Wright. It has been a very good read so far but I’m interested to find out if you all found something else that was especially helpful in thinking this through. Thanks again!

]]> By: Helen Lowe http://www.worshipmatters.com/2007/08/baptism-and-wor/comment-page-1/#comment-1580 Helen Lowe Wed, 08 Aug 2007 18:40:45 +0000 http://www.worshipmatters.com?p=308#comment-1580 Thanks Bob for the excellent post..I have never been to such a God-exalting, Christ centered baptism. It made me so incredibly thankful for salvation and the body of Christ. I was wondering if those of us who went to the first service would be able to read the testimony of those who were baptized at the 2nd service. Thanks for your leadership at CLC! Helen Thanks Bob for the excellent post..I have never been to such a God-exalting, Christ centered baptism. It made me so incredibly thankful for salvation and the body of Christ. I was wondering if those of us who went to the first service would be able to read the testimony of those who were baptized at the 2nd service.
Thanks for your leadership at CLC!
Helen

]]> By: Tyler http://www.worshipmatters.com/2007/08/baptism-and-wor/comment-page-1/#comment-1579 Tyler Wed, 08 Aug 2007 14:45:18 +0000 http://www.worshipmatters.com?p=308#comment-1579 We also use an inflatable for our baptism, though ours resembles more of a hot tub. In Omaha, where sacramentalism is rampant, it is a great reminder that there is nothing holy about the water. It comes from the Missouri (River) and is in an inglorious container. This is in stark contrast to what many have grown up learning and is thus poignant for the believer and often leads to questions from the unbelieving in attendance. Thanks for the variety of your posts and I echo some of your other readers, we long for your book, but long for more posts as well when you finish with this project. We also use an inflatable for our baptism, though ours resembles more of a hot tub. In Omaha, where sacramentalism is rampant, it is a great reminder that there is nothing holy about the water. It comes from the Missouri (River) and is in an inglorious container. This is in stark contrast to what many have grown up learning and is thus poignant for the believer and often leads to questions from the unbelieving in attendance.

Thanks for the variety of your posts and I echo some of your other readers, we long for your book, but long for more posts as well when you finish with this project.

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