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		<title>By: Larry</title>
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		<description>I was searching this website and came across this thread.  I recently have been studying Exodus along with Ryken's excellent commentary on Exodus.  What is amazingly clear is that, for Israel, God's presence was directly associated with the tabernacle.  His Shekina Glory was over the tabernacle.  Ryken says that the tabernacle helps us to understanding what it means for God to dwell with us.  Later Jesus came and dwelt (tabernacled) among us (John 1).  Now we, both individually and as a church, are the temple of God.  Individually, God dwells in us, and God has promised never to take His Spirit away.  Finally, someday we will be in heaven in His direct presence.   

For hundreds of years the church has used Ps 100 as a call to worship.  Yet Ps 100 was obviously written with the thought of approaching the tabernacle and the tabernacle courts and gates where the physical manifestation of God resided.  There was one place for worship, unlike today (John 4).  There was one place where God's manifested presence resided.   

So based on your comments and that of D. A. Carson, in what sense is it proper for us to use Ps. 100 as a call to worship as a church?  How do you understand the encouragement to "come into His presence" or "enter His gates...and..courts"  In other words, how would you explain the direct use of this OT passage for the church?

I'm also curious as to what passages of Scripture support the statement that we should be ”eager to experience His active, revealed, or manifest presence.”</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was searching this website and came across this thread.  I recently have been studying Exodus along with Ryken&#8217;s excellent commentary on Exodus.  What is amazingly clear is that, for Israel, God&#8217;s presence was directly associated with the tabernacle.  His Shekina Glory was over the tabernacle.  Ryken says that the tabernacle helps us to understanding what it means for God to dwell with us.  Later Jesus came and dwelt (tabernacled) among us ( <a href="javascript://" title="Show/Hide Scripture" onclick="showhide_esv('scripturizer1675762699');">John 1</a><span id="scripturizer1675762699" style="border-color: grey; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 5px; white-space: pre; display: none; padding: 5px; color: grey">John 1<br />
   [1:1]In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was<br />
with God, and the Word was God. [2]He was in the beginning<br />
with God. [3]All things were made through him, and without<br />
him was not any thing made that was made. [4]In him was<br />
life, and the life was the light of men. [5]The light<br />
shines in the darkness, and the darkness has not overcome<br />
it.<br />
   [6]There was a man sent from God, whose name was John.<br />
[7]He came as a witness, to bear witness about the light,<br />
that all might believe through him. [8]He was not the<br />
light, but came to bear witness about the light.<br />
   [9]The true light, which enlightens everyone, was coming<br />
into the world. [10]He was in the world, and the world was<br />
made through him, yet the world did not know him. [11]He<br />
came to his own, and his own people did not receive him.<br />
[12]But to all who did receive him, who believed in his<br />
name, he gave the right to become children of God, [13]who<br />
were born, not of blood nor of the will of the flesh nor of<br />
the will of man, but of God.<br />
   [14]And the Word became flesh and dwelt among us, and we<br />
have seen his glory, glory as of the only Son from the<br />
Father, full of grace and truth. [15](John bore witness<br />
about him, and cried out, "This was he of whom I said, 'He<br />
who comes after me ranks before me, because he was before<br />
me.'") [16]And from his fullness we have all received,<br />
grace upon grace. [17]For the law was given through Moses;<br />
grace and truth came through Jesus Christ. [18]No one has<br />
ever seen God; the only God, who is at the Father's side,<br />
he has made him known.<br />
   [19]And this is the testimony of John, when the Jews<br />
sent priests and Levites from Jerusalem to ask him, "Who<br />
are you?" [20]He confessed, and did not deny, but<br />
confessed, "I am not the Christ." [21]And they asked him,<br />
"What then? Are you Elijah?" He said, "I am not." "Are you<br />
the Prophet?" And he answered, "No." [22]So they said to<br />
him, "Who are you? We need to give an answer to those who<br />
sent us. What do you say about yourself?" [23]He said, "I<br />
am the voice of one crying out in the wilderness, 'Make<br />
straight the way of the Lord,' as the prophet Isaiah said."<br />
   [24](Now they had been sent from the Pharisees.)<br />
[25]They asked him, "Then why are you baptizing, if you are<br />
neither the Christ, nor Elijah, nor the Prophet?" [26]John<br />
answered them, "I baptize with water, but among you stands<br />
one you do not know, [27]even he who comes after me, the<br />
strap of whose sandal I am not worthy to untie." [28]These<br />
things took place in Bethany across the Jordan, where John<br />
was baptizing.<br />
   [29]The next day he saw Jesus coming toward him, and<br />
said, "Behold, the Lamb of God, who takes away the sin of<br />
the world! [30]This is he of whom I said, 'After me comes a<br />
man who ranks before me, because he was before me.' [31]I<br />
myself did not know him, but for this purpose I came<br />
baptizing with water, that he might be revealed to Israel."<br />
[32]And John bore witness: "I saw the Spirit descend from<br />
heaven like a dove, and it remained on him. [33]I myself<br />
did not know him, but he who sent me to baptize with water<br />
said to me, 'He on whom you see the Spirit descend and<br />
remain, this is he who baptizes with the Holy Spirit.'<br />
[34]And I have seen and have borne witness that this is the<br />
Son of God."<br />
   [35]The next day again John was standing with two of his<br />
disciples, [36]and he looked at Jesus as he walked by and<br />
said, "Behold, the Lamb of God!" [37]The two disciples<br />
heard him say this, and they followed Jesus. [38]Jesus<br />
turned and saw them following and said to them, "What are<br />
you seeking?" And they said to him, "Rabbi" (which means<br />
Teacher), "where are you staying?" [39]He said to them,<br />
"Come and you will see." So they came and saw where he was<br />
staying, and they stayed with him that day, for it was<br />
about the tenth hour. [40]One of the two who heard John<br />
speak and followed Jesus was Andrew, Simon Peter's brother.<br />
[41]He first found his own brother Simon and said to him,<br />
"We have found the Messiah" (which means Christ). [42]He<br />
brought him to Jesus. Jesus looked at him and said, "So you<br />
are Simon the son of John? You shall be called Cephas"<br />
(which means Peter).<br />
   [43]The next day Jesus decided to go to Galilee. He<br />
found Philip and said to him, "Follow me." [44]Now Philip<br />
was from Bethsaida, the city of Andrew and Peter.<br />
[45]Philip found Nathanael and said to him, "We have found<br />
him of whom Moses in the Law and also the prophets wrote,<br />
Jesus of Nazareth, the son of Joseph." [46]Nathanael said<br />
to him, "Can anything good come out of Nazareth?" Philip<br />
said to him, "Come and see." [47]Jesus saw Nathanael coming<br />
toward him and said of him, "Behold, an Israelite indeed,<br />
in whom there is no deceit!" [48]Nathanael said to him,<br />
"How do you know me?" Jesus answered him, "Before Philip<br />
called you, when you were under the fig tree, I saw you."<br />
[49]Nathanael answered him, "Rabbi, you are the Son of God!<br />
You are the King of Israel!" [50]Jesus answered him,<br />
"Because I said to you, 'I saw you under the fig tree,' do<br />
you believe? You will see greater things than these."<br />
[51]And he said to him, "Truly, truly, I say to you, you<br />
will see heaven opened, and the angels of God ascending and<br />
descending on the Son of Man." (ESV)
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<p></span>).  Now we, both individually and as a church, are the temple of God.  Individually, God dwells in us, and God has promised never to take His Spirit away.  Finally, someday we will be in heaven in His direct presence.   </p>
<p>For hundreds of years the church has used  <a href="javascript://" title="Show/Hide Scripture" onclick="showhide_esv('scripturizer1391590902');">Ps 100</a><span id="scripturizer1391590902" style="border-color: grey; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 5px; white-space: pre; display: none; padding: 5px; color: grey">Psalm 100<br />
  [100:1]Make a joyful noise to the LORD, all the earth!<br />
    [2]Serve the LORD with gladness!<br />
    Come into his presence with singing!<br />
  [3]Know that the LORD, he is God!<br />
    It is he who made us, and we are his;<br />
    we are his people, and the sheep of his pasture.<br />
  [4]Enter his gates with thanksgiving,<br />
    and his courts with praise!<br />
    Give thanks to him; bless his name!<br />
  [5]For the LORD is good;<br />
    his steadfast love endures forever,<br />
    and his faithfulness to all generations.
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<p></span> as a call to worship.  Yet  <a href="javascript://" title="Show/Hide Scripture" onclick="showhide_esv('scripturizer219751696');">Ps 100</a><span id="scripturizer219751696" style="border-color: grey; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 5px; white-space: pre; display: none; padding: 5px; color: grey">Psalm 100<br />
  [100:1]Make a joyful noise to the LORD, all the earth!<br />
    [2]Serve the LORD with gladness!<br />
    Come into his presence with singing!<br />
  [3]Know that the LORD, he is God!<br />
    It is he who made us, and we are his;<br />
    we are his people, and the sheep of his pasture.<br />
  [4]Enter his gates with thanksgiving,<br />
    and his courts with praise!<br />
    Give thanks to him; bless his name!<br />
  [5]For the LORD is good;<br />
    his steadfast love endures forever,<br />
    and his faithfulness to all generations.
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<p></span> was obviously written with the thought of approaching the tabernacle and the tabernacle courts and gates where the physical manifestation of God resided.  There was one place for worship, unlike today ( <a href="javascript://" title="Show/Hide Scripture" onclick="showhide_esv('scripturizer42770913');">John 4</a><span id="scripturizer42770913" style="border-color: grey; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 5px; white-space: pre; display: none; padding: 5px; color: grey">John 4<br />
   [4:1]Now when Jesus learned that the Pharisees had heard<br />
that Jesus was making and baptizing more disciples than<br />
John [2](although Jesus himself did not baptize, but only<br />
his disciples), [3]he left Judea and departed again for<br />
Galilee. [4]And he had to pass through Samaria. [5]So he<br />
came to a town of Samaria called Sychar, near the field<br />
that Jacob had given to his son Joseph. [6]Jacob's well was<br />
there; so Jesus, wearied as he was from his journey, was<br />
sitting beside the well. It was about the sixth hour.<br />
   [7]A woman from Samaria came to draw water. Jesus said<br />
to her, "Give me a drink." [8](For his disciples had gone<br />
away into the city to buy food.) [9]The Samaritan woman<br />
said to him, "How is it that you, a Jew, ask for a drink<br />
from me, a woman of Samaria?" (For Jews have no dealings<br />
with Samaritans.) [10]Jesus answered her, "If you knew the<br />
gift of God, and who it is that is saying to you, 'Give me<br />
a drink,' you would have asked him, and he would have given<br />
you living water." [11]The woman said to him, "Sir, you<br />
have nothing to draw water with, and the well is deep.<br />
Where do you get that living water? [12]Are you greater<br />
than our father Jacob? He gave us the well and drank from<br />
it himself, as did his sons and his livestock." [13]Jesus<br />
said to her, "Everyone who drinks of this water will be<br />
thirsty again, [14]but whoever drinks of the water that I<br />
will give him will never be thirsty again. The water that I<br />
will give him will become in him a spring of water welling<br />
up to eternal life." [15]The woman said to him, "Sir, give<br />
me this water, so that I will not be thirsty or have to<br />
come here to draw water."<br />
   [16]Jesus said to her, "Go, call your husband, and come<br />
here." [17]The woman answered him, "I have no husband."<br />
Jesus said to her, "You are right in saying, 'I have no<br />
husband'; [18]for you have had five husbands, and the one<br />
you now have is not your husband. What you have said is<br />
true." [19]The woman said to him, "Sir, I perceive that you<br />
are a prophet. [20]Our fathers worshiped on this mountain,<br />
but you say that in Jerusalem is the place where people<br />
ought to worship." [21]Jesus said to her, "Woman, believe<br />
me, the hour is coming when neither on this mountain nor in<br />
Jerusalem will you worship the Father. [22]You worship what<br />
you do not know; we worship what we know, for salvation is<br />
from the Jews. [23]But the hour is coming, and is now here,<br />
when the true worshipers will worship the Father in spirit<br />
and truth, for the Father is seeking such people to worship<br />
him. [24]God is spirit, and those who worship him must<br />
worship in spirit and truth." [25]The woman said to him, "I<br />
know that Messiah is coming (he who is called Christ). When<br />
he comes, he will tell us all things." [26]Jesus said to<br />
her, "I who speak to you am he."<br />
   [27]Just then his disciples came back. They marveled<br />
that he was talking with a woman, but no one said, "What do<br />
you seek?" or, "Why are you talking with her?" [28]So the<br />
woman left her water jar and went away into town and said<br />
to the people, [29]"Come, see a man who told me all that I<br />
ever did. Can this be the Christ?" [30]They went out of the<br />
town and were coming to him.<br />
   [31]Meanwhile the disciples were urging him, saying,<br />
"Rabbi, eat." [32]But he said to them, "I have food to eat<br />
that you do not know about." [33]So the disciples said to<br />
one another, "Has anyone brought him something to eat?"<br />
[34]Jesus said to them, "My food is to do the will of him<br />
who sent me and to accomplish his work. [35]Do you not say,<br />
'There are yet four months, then comes the harvest'? Look,<br />
I tell you, lift up your eyes, and see that the fields are<br />
white for harvest. [36]Already the one who reaps is<br />
receiving wages and gathering fruit for eternal life, so<br />
that sower and reaper may rejoice together. [37]For here<br />
the saying holds true, 'One sows and another reaps.' [38]I<br />
sent you to reap that for which you did not labor. Others<br />
have labored, and you have entered into their labor."<br />
   [39]Many Samaritans from that town believed in him<br />
because of the woman's testimony, "He told me all that I<br />
ever did." [40]So when the Samaritans came to him, they<br />
asked him to stay with them, and he stayed there two days.<br />
[41]And many more believed because of his word. [42]They<br />
said to the woman, "It is no longer because of what you<br />
said that we believe, for we have heard for ourselves, and<br />
we know that this is indeed the Savior of the world."<br />
   [43]After the two days he departed for Galilee. [44](For<br />
Jesus himself had testified that a prophet has no honor in<br />
his own hometown.) [45]So when he came to Galilee, the<br />
Galileans welcomed him, having seen all that he had done in<br />
Jerusalem at the feast. For they too had gone to the feast.<br />
   [46]So he came again to Cana in Galilee, where he had<br />
made the water wine. And at Capernaum there was an official<br />
whose son was ill. [47]When this man heard that Jesus had<br />
come from Judea to Galilee, he went to him and asked him to<br />
come down and heal his son, for he was at the point of<br />
death. [48]So Jesus said to him, "Unless you see signs and<br />
wonders you will not believe." [49]The official said to<br />
him, "Sir, come down before my child dies." [50]Jesus said<br />
to him, "Go; your son will live." The man believed the word<br />
that Jesus spoke to him and went on his way. [51]As he was<br />
going down, his servants met him and told him that his son<br />
was recovering. [52]So he asked them the hour when he began<br />
to get better, and they said to him, "Yesterday at the<br />
seventh hour the fever left him." [53]The father knew that<br />
was the hour when Jesus had said to him, "Your son will<br />
live." And he himself believed, and all his household.<br />
[54]This was now the second sign that Jesus did when he had<br />
come from Judea to Galilee. (ESV)
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<p></span>).  There was one place where God&#8217;s manifested presence resided.   </p>
<p>So based on your comments and that of D. A. Carson, in what sense is it proper for us to use  <a href="javascript://" title="Show/Hide Scripture" onclick="showhide_esv('scripturizer739050365');">Ps. 100</a><span id="scripturizer739050365" style="border-color: grey; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 5px; white-space: pre; display: none; padding: 5px; color: grey">Psalm 100<br />
  [100:1]Make a joyful noise to the LORD, all the earth!<br />
    [2]Serve the LORD with gladness!<br />
    Come into his presence with singing!<br />
  [3]Know that the LORD, he is God!<br />
    It is he who made us, and we are his;<br />
    we are his people, and the sheep of his pasture.<br />
  [4]Enter his gates with thanksgiving,<br />
    and his courts with praise!<br />
    Give thanks to him; bless his name!<br />
  [5]For the LORD is good;<br />
    his steadfast love endures forever,<br />
    and his faithfulness to all generations.
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<p></span> as a call to worship as a church?  How do you understand the encouragement to &#8220;come into His presence&#8221; or &#8220;enter His gates&#8230;and..courts&#8221;  In other words, how would you explain the direct use of this OT passage for the church?</p>
<p>I&#8217;m also curious as to what passages of Scripture support the statement that we should be ”eager to experience His active, revealed, or manifest presence.”</p>
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		<title>By: bkauflin</title>
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		<description>Julie, Dan, Peter, and Kathy - 

You all bring up a great point. We can understand the presence of God in different ways. God is omnipresent, he has promised his presence when we gather, he can be actively present, and one day we will see him in his unveiled presence. My point in this post was to more clearly define "entering God's presence." The fact that Jesus has brought us into the Father's presence in reality should make us eager to experience his active, revealed, or manifest presence. But we shouldn't think at that moment that we've actually "entered" God's presence. He's been with us the whole time. We need to keep a healthy tension between celebrating his promised presence and eagerly anticipating and crying out for his active presence.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Julie, Dan, Peter, and Kathy - </p>
<p>You all bring up a great point. We can understand the presence of God in different ways. God is omnipresent, he has promised his presence when we gather, he can be actively present, and one day we will see him in his unveiled presence. My point in this post was to more clearly define &#8220;entering God&#8217;s presence.&#8221; The fact that Jesus has brought us into the Father&#8217;s presence in reality should make us eager to experience his active, revealed, or manifest presence. But we shouldn&#8217;t think at that moment that we&#8217;ve actually &#8220;entered&#8221; God&#8217;s presence. He&#8217;s been with us the whole time. We need to keep a healthy tension between celebrating his promised presence and eagerly anticipating and crying out for his active presence.</p>
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		<title>By: Kathy</title>
		<link>http://www.worshipmatters.com/2007/07/qa-fridays-ente/#comment-1444</link>
		<dc:creator>Kathy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Aug 2007 16:22:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I'm very hungry to be where God is more real than anything else. I love and serve Him to the best of my ability but I long to see real manifestations of His spirit. Why don't we see the signs that are supposed to follow them that believe? Christians who are being persecuted in other countries are seeing them. I won't stop until I am satisfied by His Glory.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m very hungry to be where God is more real than anything else. I love and serve Him to the best of my ability but I long to see real manifestations of His spirit. Why don&#8217;t we see the signs that are supposed to follow them that believe? Christians who are being persecuted in other countries are seeing them. I won&#8217;t stop until I am satisfied by His Glory.</p>
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		<title>By: Peter Day</title>
		<link>http://www.worshipmatters.com/2007/07/qa-fridays-ente/#comment-1442</link>
		<dc:creator>Peter Day</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Jul 2007 14:04:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I was sent the link to this post by a friend of mine today.  It is a very interesting article and says a lot to encourage worship leaders. It is very liberating that the responsibility of bringing people into God's presence isn't mine, but the Holy Spirit's.  It is so good that all has been done for us by Him!  That He has gone into "the Most Holy Place one for all, having obtained eternal redemption." (Heb 9v11).

However, isn't there also a sense in which we are responsible to pursue that which the Lord has done for us?  That happens in other areas of the Christian life.  We have been declared righteous, but we are still responsible for living righteously.

Legally we have access into the presence of God at all times and in all places.  Christ has gone in on our behalf having obtained eternal redemption.  Through that completed offering, the curtain is open.  But then we are responsible for entering in.  Not on the basis of any perceived "merit" coming from our worship, but on the basis of His finished work.

He entered in for redemption (fulfilling the Day of Atonement).  We now must chose to enter in for fellowship.  It is not automatic.  If it were, why do we have exhortation "let us draw near..." (Heb 10v22)?  Also, James 4v8 says "Draw near to God and He will draw near to you."  This is something that we must do.

Furthermore, as new covenant saints, surely we can cry "show us Your glory" and hunger and thirst for a tangible manifestation of the presence of God.  Of course we know by faith He is ever-present.  We know He inhabits our praises, but surely we must long to experience - to feel - more and more the taste of His glory in our meetings.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was sent the link to this post by a friend of mine today.  It is a very interesting article and says a lot to encourage worship leaders. It is very liberating that the responsibility of bringing people into God&#8217;s presence isn&#8217;t mine, but the Holy Spirit&#8217;s.  It is so good that all has been done for us by Him!  That He has gone into &#8220;the Most Holy Place one for all, having obtained eternal redemption.&#8221; ( <a href="javascript://" title="Show/Hide Scripture" onclick="showhide_esv('scripturizer1592833432');">Heb 9</a><span id="scripturizer1592833432" style="border-color: grey; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 5px; white-space: pre; display: none; padding: 5px; color: grey">Hebrews 9<br />
   [9:1]Now even the first covenant had regulations for<br />
worship and an earthly place of holiness. [2]For a tent was<br />
prepared, the first section, in which were the lampstand<br />
and the table and the bread of the Presence. It is called<br />
the Holy Place. [3]Behind the second curtain was a second<br />
section called the Most Holy Place, [4]having the golden<br />
altar of incense and the ark of the covenant covered on all<br />
sides with gold, in which was a golden urn holding the<br />
manna, and Aaron's staff that budded, and the tablets of<br />
the covenant. [5]Above it were the cherubim of glory<br />
overshadowing the mercy seat. Of these things we cannot now<br />
speak in detail.<br />
   [6]These preparations having thus been made, the priests<br />
go regularly into the first section, performing their<br />
ritual duties, [7]but into the second only the high priest<br />
goes, and he but once a year, and not without taking blood,<br />
which he offers for himself and for the unintentional sins<br />
of the people. [8]By this the Holy Spirit indicates that<br />
the way into the holy places is not yet opened as long as<br />
the first section is still standing [9](which is symbolic<br />
for the present age). According to this arrangement, gifts<br />
and sacrifices are offered that cannot perfect the<br />
conscience of the worshiper, [10]but deal only with food<br />
and drink and various washings, regulations for the body<br />
imposed until the time of reformation.<br />
   [11]But when Christ appeared as a high priest of the<br />
good things that have come, then through the greater and<br />
more perfect tent (not made with hands, that is, not of<br />
this creation) [12]he entered once for all into the holy<br />
places, not by means of the blood of goats and calves but<br />
by means of his own blood, thus securing an eternal<br />
redemption. [13]For if the blood of goats and bulls, and<br />
the sprinkling of defiled persons with the ashes of a<br />
heifer, sanctify for the purification of the flesh, [14]how<br />
much more will the blood of Christ, who through the eternal<br />
Spirit offered himself without blemish to God, purify our<br />
conscience from dead works to serve the living God.<br />
   [15]Therefore he is the mediator of a new covenant, so<br />
that those who are called may receive the promised eternal<br />
inheritance, since a death has occurred that redeems them<br />
from the transgressions committed under the first covenant.<br />
[16]For where a will is involved, the death of the one who<br />
made it must be established. [17]For a will takes effect<br />
only at death, since it is not in force as long as the one<br />
who made it is alive. [18]Therefore not even the first<br />
covenant was inaugurated without blood. [19]For when every<br />
commandment of the law had been declared by Moses to all<br />
the people, he took the blood of calves and goats, with<br />
water and scarlet wool and hyssop, and sprinkled both the<br />
book itself and all the people, [20]saying, "This is the<br />
blood of the covenant that God commanded for you." [21]And<br />
in the same way he sprinkled with the blood both the tent<br />
and all the vessels used in worship. [22]Indeed, under the<br />
law almost everything is purified with blood, and without<br />
the shedding of blood there is no forgiveness of sins.<br />
   [23]Thus it was necessary for the copies of the heavenly<br />
things to be purified with these rites, but the heavenly<br />
things themselves with better sacrifices than these.<br />
[24]For Christ has entered, not into holy places made with<br />
hands, which are copies of the true things, but into heaven<br />
itself, now to appear in the presence of God on our behalf.<br />
[25]Nor was it to offer himself repeatedly, as the high<br />
priest enters the holy places every year with blood not his<br />
own, [26]for then he would have had to suffer repeatedly<br />
since the foundation of the world. But as it is, he has<br />
appeared once for all at the end of the ages to put away<br />
sin by the sacrifice of himself. [27]And just as it is<br />
appointed for man to die once, and after that comes<br />
judgment, [28]so Christ, having been offered once to bear<br />
the sins of many, will appear a second time, not to deal<br />
with sin but to save those who are eagerly waiting for him.<br />
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<p></span>v11).</p>
<p>However, isn&#8217;t there also a sense in which we are responsible to pursue that which the Lord has done for us?  That happens in other areas of the Christian life.  We have been declared righteous, but we are still responsible for living righteously.</p>
<p>Legally we have access into the presence of God at all times and in all places.  Christ has gone in on our behalf having obtained eternal redemption.  Through that completed offering, the curtain is open.  But then we are responsible for entering in.  Not on the basis of any perceived &#8220;merit&#8221; coming from our worship, but on the basis of His finished work.</p>
<p>He entered in for redemption (fulfilling the Day of Atonement).  We now must chose to enter in for fellowship.  It is not automatic.  If it were, why do we have exhortation &#8220;let us draw near&#8230;&#8221; ( <a href="javascript://" title="Show/Hide Scripture" onclick="showhide_esv('scripturizer1759461195');">Heb 10</a><span id="scripturizer1759461195" style="border-color: grey; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 5px; white-space: pre; display: none; padding: 5px; color: grey">Hebrews 10<br />
   [10:1]For since the law has but a shadow of the good<br />
things to come instead of the true form of these realities,<br />
it can never, by the same sacrifices that are continually<br />
offered every year, make perfect those who draw near.<br />
[2]Otherwise, would they not have ceased to be offered,<br />
since the worshipers, having once been cleansed, would no<br />
longer have any consciousness of sins? [3]But in these<br />
sacrifices there is a reminder of sins every year. [4]For<br />
it is impossible for the blood of bulls and goats to take<br />
away sins.<br />
   [5]Consequently, when Christ came into the world, he<br />
said,<br />
  "Sacrifices and offerings you have not desired,<br />
    but a body have you prepared for me;<br />
  [6]in burnt offerings and sin offerings<br />
    you have taken no pleasure.<br />
  [7]Then I said, 'Behold, I have come to do your will, O<br />
     God,<br />
    as it is written of me in the scroll of the book.'"<br />
[8]When he said above, "You have neither desired nor taken<br />
pleasure in sacrifices and offerings and burnt offerings<br />
and sin offerings" (these are offered according to the<br />
law), [9]then he added, "Behold, I have come to do your<br />
will." He does away with the first in order to establish<br />
the second. [10]And by that will we have been sanctified<br />
through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for<br />
all.<br />
   [11]And every priest stands daily at his service,<br />
offering repeatedly the same sacrifices, which can never<br />
take away sins. [12]But when Christ had offered for all<br />
time a single sacrifice for sins, he sat down at the right<br />
hand of God, [13]waiting from that time until his enemies<br />
should be made a footstool for his feet. [14]For by a<br />
single offering he has perfected for all time those who are<br />
being sanctified.<br />
   [15]And the Holy Spirit also bears witness to us; for<br />
after saying,<br />
  [16]"This is the covenant that I will make with them<br />
    after those days, declares the Lord:<br />
  I will put my laws on their hearts,<br />
    and write them on their minds,"<br />
[17]then he adds,<br />
  "I will remember their sins and their lawless deeds no<br />
     more."<br />
[18]Where there is forgiveness of these, there is no longer<br />
any offering for sin.<br />
   [19]Therefore, brothers, since we have confidence to<br />
enter the holy places by the blood of Jesus, [20]by the new<br />
and living way that he opened for us through the curtain,<br />
that is, through his flesh, [21]and since we have a great<br />
priest over the house of God, [22]let us draw near with a<br />
true heart in full assurance of faith, with our hearts<br />
sprinkled clean from an evil conscience and our bodies<br />
washed with pure water. [23]Let us hold fast the confession<br />
of our hope without wavering, for he who promised is<br />
faithful. [24]And let us consider how to stir up one<br />
another to love and good works, [25]not neglecting to meet<br />
together, as is the habit of some, but encouraging one<br />
another, and all the more as you see the Day drawing near.<br />
   [26]For if we go on sinning deliberately after receiving<br />
the knowledge of the truth, there no longer remains a<br />
sacrifice for sins, [27]but a fearful expectation of<br />
judgment, and a fury of fire that will consume the<br />
adversaries. [28]Anyone who has set aside the law of Moses<br />
dies without mercy on the evidence of two or three<br />
witnesses. [29]How much worse punishment, do you think,<br />
will be deserved by the one who has spurned the Son of God,<br />
and has profaned the blood of the covenant by which he was<br />
sanctified, and has outraged the Spirit of grace? [30]For<br />
we know him who said, "Vengeance is mine; I will repay."<br />
And again, "The Lord will judge his people." [31]It is a<br />
fearful thing to fall into the hands of the living God.<br />
   [32]But recall the former days when, after you were<br />
enlightened, you endured a hard struggle with sufferings,<br />
[33]sometimes being publicly exposed to reproach and<br />
affliction, and sometimes being partners with those so<br />
treated. [34]For you had compassion on those in prison, and<br />
you joyfully accepted the plundering of your property,<br />
since you knew that you yourselves had a better possession<br />
and an abiding one. [35]Therefore do not throw away your<br />
confidence, which has a great reward. [36]For you have need<br />
of endurance, so that when you have done the will of God<br />
you may receive what is promised. [37]For,<br />
  "Yet a little while,<br />
    and the coming one will come and will not delay;<br />
  [38]but my righteous one shall live by faith,<br />
    and if he shrinks back,<br />
  my soul has no pleasure in him."<br />
[39]But we are not of those who shrink back and are<br />
destroyed, but of those who have faith and preserve their<br />
souls. (ESV)
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<p></span>v22)?  Also,  <a href="javascript://" title="Show/Hide Scripture" onclick="showhide_esv('scripturizer1636611591');">James 4</a><span id="scripturizer1636611591" style="border-color: grey; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 5px; white-space: pre; display: none; padding: 5px; color: grey">James 4<br />
   [4:1]What causes quarrels and what causes fights among<br />
you? Is it not this, that your passions are at war within<br />
you? [2]You desire and do not have, so you murder. You<br />
covet and cannot obtain, so you fight and quarrel. You do<br />
not have, because you do not ask. [3]You ask and do not<br />
receive, because you ask wrongly, to spend it on your<br />
passions. [4]You adulterous people! Do you not know that<br />
friendship with the world is enmity with God? Therefore<br />
whoever wishes to be a friend of the world makes himself an<br />
enemy of God. [5]Or do you suppose it is to no purpose that<br />
the Scripture says, "He yearns jealously over the spirit<br />
that he has made to dwell in us"? [6]But he gives more<br />
grace. Therefore it says, "God opposes the proud, but gives<br />
grace to the humble." [7]Submit yourselves therefore to<br />
God. Resist the devil, and he will flee from you. [8]Draw<br />
near to God, and he will draw near to you. Cleanse your<br />
hands, you sinners, and purify your hearts, you double-<br />
minded. [9]Be wretched and mourn and weep. Let your<br />
laughter be turned to mourning and your joy to gloom.<br />
[10]Humble yourselves before the Lord, and he will exalt<br />
you.<br />
   [11]Do not speak evil against one another, brothers. The<br />
one who speaks against a brother or judges his brother,<br />
speaks evil against the law and judges the law. But if you<br />
judge the law, you are not a doer of the law but a judge.<br />
[12]There is only one lawgiver and judge, he who is able to<br />
save and to destroy. But who are you to judge your neighbor?<br />
   [13]Come now, you who say, "Today or tomorrow we will go<br />
into such and such a town and spend a year there and trade<br />
and make a profit"-- [14]yet you do not know what tomorrow<br />
will bring. What is your life? For you are a mist that<br />
appears for a little time and then vanishes. [15]Instead<br />
you ought to say, "If the Lord wills, we will live and do<br />
this or that." [16]As it is, you boast in your arrogance.<br />
All such boasting is evil. [17]So whoever knows the right<br />
thing to do and fails to do it, for him it is sin. (ESV)
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<p></span>v8 says &#8220;Draw near to God and He will draw near to you.&#8221;  This is something that we must do.</p>
<p>Furthermore, as new covenant saints, surely we can cry &#8220;show us Your glory&#8221; and hunger and thirst for a tangible manifestation of the presence of God.  Of course we know by faith He is ever-present.  We know He inhabits our praises, but surely we must long to experience - to feel - more and more the taste of His glory in our meetings.</p>
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		<title>By: Dan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Jul 2007 09:41:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have to agree with Julie who left a comment a few up.  While the objective truths of the Gospel and the omnipresence of God are sure and fast - and we rejoice in that - if we really believe that the Bible is our final authority then surely we have to accept that there is a distinction between the omnipresence of God and the manifest glory of God which IS to be experienced and encountered?

Here's a few examples from Scripture that came to me;

Exodus 33:3, 14, 18 - God said to Moses that He wouldn't go up with them to the land of Israel but send an angel instead. Was God still omnipresent? Of course He was! But did the promise of His Presence make a difference to Moses? Clearly - else why else would he have interceded so much?

Ezekiel 10:4, 18, 23 and 43:2- the glory of God was seen departing from the temple in stages and then returning at the end of the book with the sound of rushing waters. Was God still omnipresent? Of course. But did Jerusalem suffer in God's absence? Absolutely. And what happened when the people heeded His commands and repented? The glory of God or His manifest Presence returned.

Acts 2:2- the Day of Pentecost! Was God omnipresent? Of course. Well if He was equally present everywhere then why did people come running TO where the disciples were receiving this encounter with God?

Acts 4:31 - the place was shaken! Was God omnipresent? Of course! But was the place shaking everywhere across the city? It doesn't say so.

1 Corinthians 14:24-25 - If God is ominpresent everywhere in such power then why aren't unbelievers everywhere falling down and saying 'God is truly among you?'.  It seems to me that what made the unbelievers fall down and say this was the manifestation of prophecy in their midst.

Let's not allow our experience (the lack of His Presence) to shape our theology and settle for less than what He intended - Ephesians 2:20 "The dwelling place of God in the Spirit".</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have to agree with Julie who left a comment a few up.  While the objective truths of the Gospel and the omnipresence of God are sure and fast - and we rejoice in that - if we really believe that the Bible is our final authority then surely we have to accept that there is a distinction between the omnipresence of God and the manifest glory of God which IS to be experienced and encountered?</p>
<p>Here&#8217;s a few examples from Scripture that came to me;</p>
<p> <a href="javascript://" title="Show/Hide Scripture" onclick="showhide_esv('scripturizer1999837638');">Exodus 33:3, 14, 18</a><span id="scripturizer1999837638" style="border-color: grey; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 5px; white-space: pre; display: none; padding: 5px; color: grey">Exodus 33:3<br />
   [3]Go up to a land flowing with milk and honey; but I<br />
will not go up among you, lest I consume you on the way,<br />
for you are a stiff-necked people." (ESV)
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<p></span> - God said to Moses that He wouldn&#8217;t go up with them to the land of Israel but send an angel instead. Was God still omnipresent? Of course He was! But did the promise of His Presence make a difference to Moses? Clearly - else why else would he have interceded so much?</p>
<p> <a href="javascript://" title="Show/Hide Scripture" onclick="showhide_esv('scripturizer2058234269');">Ezekiel 10:4, 18, 23</a><span id="scripturizer2058234269" style="border-color: grey; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 5px; white-space: pre; display: none; padding: 5px; color: grey">Ezekiel 10:4<br />
   [4]And the glory of the LORD went up from the cherub to<br />
the threshold of the house, and the house was filled with<br />
the cloud, and the court was filled with the brightness of<br />
the glory of the LORD. (ESV)
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<p></span> and 43:2- the glory of God was seen departing from the temple in stages and then returning at the end of the book with the sound of rushing waters. Was God still omnipresent? Of course. But did Jerusalem suffer in God&#8217;s absence? Absolutely. And what happened when the people heeded His commands and repented? The glory of God or His manifest Presence returned.</p>
<p> <a href="javascript://" title="Show/Hide Scripture" onclick="showhide_esv('scripturizer688329398');">Acts 2:2</a><span id="scripturizer688329398" style="border-color: grey; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 5px; white-space: pre; display: none; padding: 5px; color: grey">Acts 2:2<br />
   [2]And suddenly there came from heaven a sound like a<br />
mighty rushing wind, and it filled the entire house where<br />
they were sitting. (ESV)
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<p></span>- the Day of Pentecost! Was God omnipresent? Of course. Well if He was equally present everywhere then why did people come running TO where the disciples were receiving this encounter with God?</p>
<p> <a href="javascript://" title="Show/Hide Scripture" onclick="showhide_esv('scripturizer2107228461');">Acts 4:31</a><span id="scripturizer2107228461" style="border-color: grey; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 5px; white-space: pre; display: none; padding: 5px; color: grey">Acts 4:31<br />
   [31]And when they had prayed, the place in which they<br />
were gathered together was shaken, and they were all filled<br />
with the Holy Spirit and continued to speak the word of God<br />
with boldness. (ESV)
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<p></span> - the place was shaken! Was God omnipresent? Of course! But was the place shaking everywhere across the city? It doesn&#8217;t say so.</p>
<p> <a href="javascript://" title="Show/Hide Scripture" onclick="showhide_esv('scripturizer588708886');">1 Corinthians 14:24-25</a><span id="scripturizer588708886" style="border-color: grey; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 5px; white-space: pre; display: none; padding: 5px; color: grey">1 Corinthians 14:24-25<br />
   [24]But if all prophesy, and an unbeliever or outsider<br />
enters, he is convicted by all, he is called to account by<br />
all, [25]the secrets of his heart are disclosed, and so,<br />
falling on his face, he will worship God and declare that<br />
God is really among you. (ESV)
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<p></span> - If God is ominpresent everywhere in such power then why aren&#8217;t unbelievers everywhere falling down and saying &#8216;God is truly among you?&#8217;.  It seems to me that what made the unbelievers fall down and say this was the manifestation of prophecy in their midst.</p>
<p>Let&#8217;s not allow our experience (the lack of His Presence) to shape our theology and settle for less than what He intended -  <a href="javascript://" title="Show/Hide Scripture" onclick="showhide_esv('scripturizer86839538');">Ephesians 2:20</a><span id="scripturizer86839538" style="border-color: grey; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 5px; white-space: pre; display: none; padding: 5px; color: grey">Ephesians 2:20<br />
   [20]built on the foundation of the apostles and<br />
prophets, Christ Jesus himself being the cornerstone, (ESV)
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<p></span> &#8220;The dwelling place of God in the Spirit&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: Kyle</title>
		<link>http://www.worshipmatters.com/2007/07/qa-fridays-ente/#comment-1440</link>
		<dc:creator>Kyle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Jul 2007 14:54:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I check here every day to see if there's a new post.  Of course you're busy and have much going on - just know that your thoughts and comments are greatly appreciated, and there are many who would love to hear from you again!  

Grace with you,

Kyle</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I check here every day to see if there&#8217;s a new post.  Of course you&#8217;re busy and have much going on - just know that your thoughts and comments are greatly appreciated, and there are many who would love to hear from you again!  </p>
<p>Grace with you,</p>
<p>Kyle</p>
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		<title>By: Julia Byrd</title>
		<link>http://www.worshipmatters.com/2007/07/qa-fridays-ente/#comment-1439</link>
		<dc:creator>Julia Byrd</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Jul 2007 23:46:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hello,
I would like to tell you that this website has encouraged me greatly and that God has used it to inspire me and enhance my worldview pertaining to worship music.  
A little while ago I felt led to write a study on worship music.  I have several questions I'd like to ask you but will try not to bombard you : )
1. Is it important for worship (and, consequently, worship music) to be both spontaneous and deliberate? Can it be?  
2. Should physical expressions always be the overflow of what we feel inside or can we motivate ourselves to worship by raising our hands, clapping, kneeling, etc.?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hello,<br />
I would like to tell you that this website has encouraged me greatly and that God has used it to inspire me and enhance my worldview pertaining to worship music.<br />
A little while ago I felt led to write a study on worship music.  I have several questions I&#8217;d like to ask you but will try not to bombard you : )<br />
1. Is it important for worship (and, consequently, worship music) to be both spontaneous and deliberate? Can it be?<br />
2. Should physical expressions always be the overflow of what we feel inside or can we motivate ourselves to worship by raising our hands, clapping, kneeling, etc.?</p>
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		<title>By: Julie</title>
		<link>http://www.worshipmatters.com/2007/07/qa-fridays-ente/#comment-1438</link>
		<dc:creator>Julie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Jul 2007 12:20:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I completely agree that in Christ we have entered into the Holy of Holies, God's presence.  But do you think there is still a distinction between God's omnipresence and his manifest presence?  You didn't mention the idea that God manifests himself in tangible (and dare I say experiential) ways as we gather together, whether in large groups or just 2 or 3.  This seems to me to go beyond our ability to make ourselves aware of his omnipresence.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I completely agree that in Christ we have entered into the Holy of Holies, God&#8217;s presence.  But do you think there is still a distinction between God&#8217;s omnipresence and his manifest presence?  You didn&#8217;t mention the idea that God manifests himself in tangible (and dare I say experiential) ways as we gather together, whether in large groups or just 2 or 3.  This seems to me to go beyond our ability to make ourselves aware of his omnipresence.</p>
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		<title>By: jscottkill</title>
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		<dc:creator>jscottkill</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Jul 2007 18:10:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dave 

hmmm...I feel that you are being a bit pedantic on the point you mentioned about the pastor.  I doubt that the pastor mentioned in the above comment really expects the worship leader to be able to find God in the crowded sanctuary.  I'm pretty sure he's looking for a leader who is mature enough to hear and listen to the Spirit's leading.  

I hate the semantics that this pastor used, but when you attack language, that's all you're attacking.  This pastor obviously meant something else.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dave </p>
<p>hmmm&#8230;I feel that you are being a bit pedantic on the point you mentioned about the pastor.  I doubt that the pastor mentioned in the above comment really expects the worship leader to be able to find God in the crowded sanctuary.  I&#8217;m pretty sure he&#8217;s looking for a leader who is mature enough to hear and listen to the Spirit&#8217;s leading.  </p>
<p>I hate the semantics that this pastor used, but when you attack language, that&#8217;s all you&#8217;re attacking.  This pastor obviously meant something else.</p>
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		<title>By: David Wells</title>
		<link>http://www.worshipmatters.com/2007/07/qa-fridays-ente/#comment-1436</link>
		<dc:creator>David Wells</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Jul 2007 05:09:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As usual Bob, you're right on with this one.  One of pastors frequently prays "Lord, we come into your presence ..."...   I'd argue that not only is saying that wrong theologically, it also perpetuates the notion that we can only worship God in the church "sanctuary."  It's much more helpful to remind people in our prayers, in our songs and in our comments that God is here!  Let's be aware of that fact and draw near.
PS: I saw an ad for a worship position stating that they were looking for someone that can "sense God's presence."  (there He is!  Behind row 10 --- nope, He's moved to the left side of the church now --- wait a minute; rats, lost Him).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As usual Bob, you&#8217;re right on with this one.  One of pastors frequently prays &#8220;Lord, we come into your presence &#8230;&#8221;&#8230;   I&#8217;d argue that not only is saying that wrong theologically, it also perpetuates the notion that we can only worship God in the church &#8220;sanctuary.&#8221;  It&#8217;s much more helpful to remind people in our prayers, in our songs and in our comments that God is here!  Let&#8217;s be aware of that fact and draw near.<br />
PS: I saw an ad for a worship position stating that they were looking for someone that can &#8220;sense God&#8217;s presence.&#8221;  (there He is!  Behind row 10 &#8212; nope, He&#8217;s moved to the left side of the church now &#8212; wait a minute; rats, lost Him).</p>
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