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	<title>Comments on: Singing the Psalms in Worship</title>
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		<title>By: Rachel Whitfield</title>
		<link>http://www.worshipmatters.com/2007/03/singing-the-psa/#comment-8004</link>
		<dc:creator>Rachel Whitfield</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 May 2008 00:56:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I tend to agree with KaiB. In worship, we are to communicate the truth of the gospel. This does agree with the Psalms in their songs of creation (Ps. 8, 19, 65), of the attributes of God (Ps. 117; 145-105; these are too numerous to count), and of promise (Ps. 22, 105, 107). Bob’s note that the Psalms over foreshadow the truth of Christ’s perfect life, redemptive work, and eternal restoration is an important one, I believe. 

We are communicating truth through the Psalms but not the gospel in its entirety. There is atonement for creation, God’s attributes fleshed out in Christ, and promises fulfilled that we must celebrate and thank God for, whether through the Psalms or other songs of truth.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I tend to agree with KaiB. In worship, we are to communicate the truth of the gospel. This does agree with the Psalms in their songs of creation ( <a href="javascript://" title="Show/Hide Scripture" onclick="showhide_esv('scripturizer919246921');">Ps. 8, 19, 65</a><span id="scripturizer919246921" style="border-color: grey; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 5px; white-space: pre; display: none; padding: 5px; color: grey">Psalm 8<br />
  [8:1]O LORD, our Lord,<br />
    how majestic is your name in all the earth!<br />
  You have set your glory above the heavens.<br />
    [2]Out of the mouth of babies and infants,<br />
  you have established strength because of your foes,<br />
    to still the enemy and the avenger.<br />
  [3]When I look at your heavens, the work of your fingers,<br />
    the moon and the stars, which you have set in place,<br />
  [4]what is man that you are mindful of him,<br />
    and the son of man that you care for him?<br />
  [5]Yet you have made him a little lower than the heavenly<br />
     beings<br />
    and crowned him with glory and honor.<br />
  [6]You have given him dominion over the works of your<br />
     hands;<br />
    you have put all things under his feet,<br />
  [7]all sheep and oxen,<br />
    and also the beasts of the field,<br />
  [8]the birds of the heavens, and the fish of the sea,<br />
    whatever passes along the paths of the seas.<br />
  [9]O LORD, our Lord,<br />
    how majestic is your name in all the earth!
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<p></span>), of the attributes of God ( <a href="javascript://" title="Show/Hide Scripture" onclick="showhide_esv('scripturizer1245255222');">Ps. 117</a><span id="scripturizer1245255222" style="border-color: grey; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 5px; white-space: pre; display: none; padding: 5px; color: grey">Psalm 117<br />
  [117:1]Praise the LORD, all nations!<br />
    Extol him, all peoples!<br />
  [2]For great is his steadfast love toward us,<br />
    and the faithfulness of the LORD endures forever.<br />
  Praise the LORD!
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<p></span>; 145-105; these are too numerous to count), and of promise ( <a href="javascript://" title="Show/Hide Scripture" onclick="showhide_esv('scripturizer1314343910');">Ps. 22, 105, 107</a><span id="scripturizer1314343910" style="border-color: grey; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 5px; white-space: pre; display: none; padding: 5px; color: grey">Psalm 22<br />
  [22:1]My God, my God, why have you forsaken me?<br />
    Why are you so far from saving me, from the words of my<br />
       groaning?<br />
  [2]O my God, I cry by day, but you do not answer,<br />
    and by night, but I find no rest.<br />
  [3]Yet you are holy,<br />
    enthroned on the praises of Israel.<br />
  [4]In you our fathers trusted;<br />
    they trusted, and you delivered them.<br />
  [5]To you they cried and were rescued;<br />
    in you they trusted and were not put to shame.<br />
  [6]But I am a worm and not a man,<br />
    scorned by mankind and despised by the people.<br />
  [7]All who see me mock me;<br />
    they make mouths at me; they wag their heads;<br />
  [8]"He trusts in the LORD; let him deliver him;<br />
    let him rescue him, for he delights in him!"<br />
  [9]Yet you are he who took me from the womb;<br />
    you made me trust you at my mother's breasts.<br />
  [10]On you was I cast from my birth,<br />
    and from my mother's womb you have been my God.<br />
  [11]Be not far from me,<br />
    for trouble is near,<br />
    and there is none to help.<br />
  [12]Many bulls encompass me;<br />
    strong bulls of Bashan surround me;<br />
  [13]they open wide their mouths at me,<br />
    like a ravening and roaring lion.<br />
  [14]I am poured out like water,<br />
    and all my bones are out of joint;<br />
  my heart is like wax;<br />
    it is melted within my breast;<br />
  [15]my strength is dried up like a potsherd,<br />
    and my tongue sticks to my jaws;<br />
    you lay me in the dust of death.<br />
  [16]For dogs encompass me;<br />
    a company of evildoers encircles me;<br />
  they have pierced my hands and feet--<br />
  [17]I can count all my bones--<br />
  they stare and gloat over me;<br />
  [18]they divide my garments among them,<br />
    and for my clothing they cast lots.<br />
  [19]But you, O LORD, do not be far off!<br />
    O you my help, come quickly to my aid!<br />
  [20]Deliver my soul from the sword,<br />
    my precious life from the power of the dog!<br />
    [21]Save me from the mouth of the lion!<br />
  You have rescued me from the horns of the wild oxen!<br />
  [22]I will tell of your name to my brothers;<br />
    in the midst of the congregation I will praise you:<br />
  [23]You who fear the LORD, praise him!<br />
    All you offspring of Jacob, glorify him,<br />
    and stand in awe of him, all you offspring of Israel!<br />
  [24]For he has not despised or abhorred<br />
    the affliction of the afflicted,<br />
  and he has not hidden his face from him,<br />
    but has heard, when he cried to him.<br />
  [25]From you comes my praise in the great congregation;<br />
    my vows I will perform before those who fear him.<br />
  [26]The afflicted shall eat and be satisfied;<br />
    those who seek him shall praise the LORD!<br />
    May your hearts live forever!<br />
  [27]All the ends of the earth shall remember<br />
    and turn to the LORD,<br />
  and all the families of the nations<br />
    shall worship before you.<br />
  [28]For kingship belongs to the LORD,<br />
    and he rules over the nations.<br />
  [29]All the prosperous of the earth eat and worship;<br />
    before him shall bow all who go down to the dust,<br />
    even the one who could not keep himself alive.<br />
  [30]Posterity shall serve him;<br />
    it shall be told of the Lord to the coming generation;<br />
  [31]they shall come and proclaim his righteousness to a<br />
     people yet unborn,<br />
    that he has done it.
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<p></span>). Bob’s note that the Psalms over foreshadow the truth of Christ’s perfect life, redemptive work, and eternal restoration is an important one, I believe. </p>
<p>We are communicating truth through the Psalms but not the gospel in its entirety. There is atonement for creation, God’s attributes fleshed out in Christ, and promises fulfilled that we must celebrate and thank God for, whether through the Psalms or other songs of truth.</p>
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		<title>By: KaiB</title>
		<link>http://www.worshipmatters.com/2007/03/singing-the-psa/#comment-7918</link>
		<dc:creator>KaiB</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 May 2008 23:06:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Your argument against "exclusive Psalmody" is very effective and well-thought out. Usage of the Psalms is a good choice in some corporate worship; for example, the Psalms of ascent could function as a great "call to worship" of sorts.  However, the whole Bible tells the whole story about salvation, not just the Psalms. In fact, Paul uses a hymn to tell about the way Jesus humbled himself to death on a cross and was exalted through his resurrection (Phil. 2:5-11)!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Your argument against &#8220;exclusive Psalmody&#8221; is very effective and well-thought out. Usage of the Psalms is a good choice in some corporate worship; for example, the Psalms of ascent could function as a great &#8220;call to worship&#8221; of sorts.  However, the whole Bible tells the whole story about salvation, not just the Psalms. In fact, Paul uses a hymn to tell about the way Jesus humbled himself to death on a cross and was exalted through his resurrection ( <a href="javascript://" title="Show/Hide Scripture" onclick="showhide_esv('scripturizer547465404');">Phil. 2:5-11</a><span id="scripturizer547465404" style="border-color: grey; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 5px; white-space: pre; display: none; padding: 5px; color: grey">Philippians 2:5-11<br />
   [5]Have this mind among yourselves, which is yours in<br />
Christ Jesus, [6]who, though he was in the form of God, did<br />
not count equality with God a thing to be grasped, [7]but<br />
made himself nothing, taking the form of a servant, being<br />
born in the likeness of men. [8]And being found in human<br />
form, he humbled himself by becoming obedient to the point<br />
of death, even death on a cross. [9]Therefore God has<br />
highly exalted him and bestowed on him the name that is<br />
above every name, [10]so that at the name of Jesus every<br />
knee should bow, in heaven and on earth and under the<br />
earth, [11]and every tongue confess that Jesus Christ is<br />
Lord, to the glory of God the Father. (ESV)
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<p></span>)!</p>
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		<title>By: allan r. turda</title>
		<link>http://www.worshipmatters.com/2007/03/singing-the-psa/#comment-7782</link>
		<dc:creator>allan r. turda</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 May 2008 04:10:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I also would like to share some insights to Sean Mcdonald's position on exclusive spalmody as I am also a pastor commited to such singing in worship. I believe that one of the importance of adhering to the regulative principle of worship is so that we would be kept from error and more error as we understand that as it is true that "the entrance of thy word gives light", it is equally true that the entrance of one error (that which does not originate from the mind of God or His Word) gives more of that which is the opposite of light.

You see, every abomination to the Lord has a mother, something or somebody gave birth to it. The bible speaks of "the mother of all abominations". The reason why we have multitude of christian or gospel songs today that are very dishonoring to God not only in the type of music it bears but also in the doctrine that they convey, is because of man's supposition that he can improve on what God has already made and provided. Note that God never commanded us to compose but to sing, which implies that whatever is to be sung is already there and was readily provided. The composing of new songs and the addition of instrumental accopaniment are two of the major things that man has thought of in trying to improve the ways of God. All these use of electric guitars and drums with all the gadgets that christians use today not only in worship but in recordings as well, did they not start with the use of the organ which is the mother? The same is true why we have these dishhonoring wordings in many hymns and gospel songs due doctrinal unsoundness. 

I afraid, my inadequacy in trying to express my thoughts about this may be noticed but the very words of The Spalmist is very clear, "As for God His way is Perfect, The word of The Lord is tried."</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I also would like to share some insights to Sean Mcdonald&#8217;s position on exclusive spalmody as I am also a pastor commited to such singing in worship. I believe that one of the importance of adhering to the regulative principle of worship is so that we would be kept from error and more error as we understand that as it is true that &#8220;the entrance of thy word gives light&#8221;, it is equally true that the entrance of one error (that which does not originate from the mind of God or His Word) gives more of that which is the opposite of light.</p>
<p>You see, every abomination to the Lord has a mother, something or somebody gave birth to it. The bible speaks of &#8220;the mother of all abominations&#8221;. The reason why we have multitude of christian or gospel songs today that are very dishonoring to God not only in the type of music it bears but also in the doctrine that they convey, is because of man&#8217;s supposition that he can improve on what God has already made and provided. Note that God never commanded us to compose but to sing, which implies that whatever is to be sung is already there and was readily provided. The composing of new songs and the addition of instrumental accopaniment are two of the major things that man has thought of in trying to improve the ways of God. All these use of electric guitars and drums with all the gadgets that christians use today not only in worship but in recordings as well, did they not start with the use of the organ which is the mother? The same is true why we have these dishhonoring wordings in many hymns and gospel songs due doctrinal unsoundness. </p>
<p>I afraid, my inadequacy in trying to express my thoughts about this may be noticed but the very words of The Spalmist is very clear, &#8220;As for God His way is Perfect, The word of The Lord is tried.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Nathan</title>
		<link>http://www.worshipmatters.com/2007/03/singing-the-psa/#comment-1225</link>
		<dc:creator>Nathan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Mar 2007 17:04:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Excellent questions and discussion; also see www.calvin.edu/worship/psalms
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Excellent questions and discussion; also see <a href="http://www.calvin.edu/worship/psalms" rel="nofollow">http://www.calvin.edu/worship/psalms</a></p>
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		<title>By: Joel</title>
		<link>http://www.worshipmatters.com/2007/03/singing-the-psa/#comment-1224</link>
		<dc:creator>Joel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Mar 2007 14:52:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am confused by the references to 2 Chron. 29:30.

That passage reads
Moreover Hezekiah the king and the princes commanded the Levites to sing praise unto the LORD with the words of David, and of Asaph the seer. And they sang praises with gladness, and they bowed their heads and worshipped.

This says that Hezekiah commanded this, not the LORD.

I don't read this as any type of commandment.

What am I missing?

Thanks.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am confused by the references to  <a href="javascript://" title="Show/Hide Scripture" onclick="showhide_esv('scripturizer803813389');">2 Chron. 29:30</a><span id="scripturizer803813389" style="border-color: grey; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 5px; white-space: pre; display: none; padding: 5px; color: grey">2 Chronicles 29:30<br />
   [30]And Hezekiah the king and the officials commanded<br />
the Levites to sing praises to the LORD with the words of<br />
David and of Asaph the seer. And they sang praises with<br />
gladness, and they bowed down and worshiped. (ESV)
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<p></span>.</p>
<p>That passage reads<br />
Moreover Hezekiah the king and the princes commanded the Levites to sing praise unto the LORD with the words of David, and of Asaph the seer. And they sang praises with gladness, and they bowed their heads and worshipped.</p>
<p>This says that Hezekiah commanded this, not the LORD.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t read this as any type of commandment.</p>
<p>What am I missing?</p>
<p>Thanks.</p>
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		<title>By: Dan Cummins</title>
		<link>http://www.worshipmatters.com/2007/03/singing-the-psa/#comment-1223</link>
		<dc:creator>Dan Cummins</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Mar 2007 22:55:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bob, what is the process that you go through, for a typical Sunday, to select the worship songs to sing during corporate worship?  Also, and maybe this is a similar question, but what would disqualify a song from being sung during corporate worship (I'm coming from the standpoint that there are numerous Christian songs out there, but perhaps not all would serve the congregation during corporate worship)? 
Thanks,
Dan</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bob, what is the process that you go through, for a typical Sunday, to select the worship songs to sing during corporate worship?  Also, and maybe this is a similar question, but what would disqualify a song from being sung during corporate worship (I&#8217;m coming from the standpoint that there are numerous Christian songs out there, but perhaps not all would serve the congregation during corporate worship)?<br />
Thanks,<br />
Dan</p>
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		<title>By: Sean McDonald</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sean McDonald</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Mar 2007 22:06:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Matthew,

Thank you for your charitable response.

1. I believe that the phrase "the words of David, and of Asaph the seer" is a reference to "the Psalter," as far as it was completed to that time. When the NT uses the term "scripture" or "scriptures," it is usually a reference to the OT. However, such commands as "search the scriptures," or promises as "all scripture is given by inspiration of God," are rightly understood as today applying equally to the NT Scriptures, following the completion of the canon. Likewise, I believe that 2 Chron. 29:30 gives warrant to sing "the Psalter," which had a completed canon following the exile.

2. I do not believe that the book of Revelation presents the forms we are to use in our corporate worship services. Their use of song constitute integral parts of that prophecy, and do not condone our use of such songs in our public worship; any more than the presence of a temple, an altar, incense, harps, etc. condone our use of such forms.

3. Understand, I believe the Psalms to speak fully and clearly of our Saviour in His person, offices, work, and states. My objection was aimed solely at the objection which I frequently hear, that "If we confine ourselves to the Psalms, we cannot sing the name 'Jesus.'" Constructed as a syllogism, the argument would run thus:

Major premise: If we sing only Psalms in worship, we cannot sing the name of Jesus (because the name "Jesus" does not appear in the Psalms).
Minor premise: But we are commanded to sing the name of Jesus in worship.
Conclusion: Therefore, our songs in worship must not be limited to the Psalms.

I would contest the minor premise, as having no Scriptural warrant. But, again, I have never seen such a view presented as anything other than an emotional (not logical or Scriptural) appeal, or "sentimentalism," as I said; an attachment to the name "Jesus" which insists on that name (and not "Yeshua," "Joshua," etc.), even when He is present in His person, offices, work, and states.

4. I do not understand any such passages as constituting "hymn fragments." I find no warrant to conclude that they were pieces of poetry, or that they were songs, or that they were sung in public Christian assemblies, or that they were uninspired compositions. I recognize the *possibility* of new hymns having been given by inspiration of the Holy Ghost during the apostolic era, while the canon of the NT was still being completed. Such "charismatic hymns," whether or not they actually existed, would give no warrant for men today to write uninspired compositions and presume to set them on the same level with the Psalms of Holy Scripture.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Matthew,</p>
<p>Thank you for your charitable response.</p>
<p>1. I believe that the phrase &#8220;the words of David, and of Asaph the seer&#8221; is a reference to &#8220;the Psalter,&#8221; as far as it was completed to that time. When the NT uses the term &#8220;scripture&#8221; or &#8220;scriptures,&#8221; it is usually a reference to the OT. However, such commands as &#8220;search the scriptures,&#8221; or promises as &#8220;all scripture is given by inspiration of God,&#8221; are rightly understood as today applying equally to the NT Scriptures, following the completion of the canon. Likewise, I believe that  <a href="javascript://" title="Show/Hide Scripture" onclick="showhide_esv('scripturizer1321870724');">2 Chron. 29:30</a><span id="scripturizer1321870724" style="border-color: grey; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 5px; white-space: pre; display: none; padding: 5px; color: grey">2 Chronicles 29:30<br />
   [30]And Hezekiah the king and the officials commanded<br />
the Levites to sing praises to the LORD with the words of<br />
David and of Asaph the seer. And they sang praises with<br />
gladness, and they bowed down and worshiped. (ESV)
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<p></span> gives warrant to sing &#8220;the Psalter,&#8221; which had a completed canon following the exile.</p>
<p>2. I do not believe that the book of Revelation presents the forms we are to use in our corporate worship services. Their use of song constitute integral parts of that prophecy, and do not condone our use of such songs in our public worship; any more than the presence of a temple, an altar, incense, harps, etc. condone our use of such forms.</p>
<p>3. Understand, I believe the Psalms to speak fully and clearly of our Saviour in His person, offices, work, and states. My objection was aimed solely at the objection which I frequently hear, that &#8220;If we confine ourselves to the Psalms, we cannot sing the name &#8216;Jesus.&#8217;&#8221; Constructed as a syllogism, the argument would run thus:</p>
<p>Major premise: If we sing only Psalms in worship, we cannot sing the name of Jesus (because the name &#8220;Jesus&#8221; does not appear in the Psalms).<br />
Minor premise: But we are commanded to sing the name of Jesus in worship.<br />
Conclusion: Therefore, our songs in worship must not be limited to the Psalms.</p>
<p>I would contest the minor premise, as having no Scriptural warrant. But, again, I have never seen such a view presented as anything other than an emotional (not logical or Scriptural) appeal, or &#8220;sentimentalism,&#8221; as I said; an attachment to the name &#8220;Jesus&#8221; which insists on that name (and not &#8220;Yeshua,&#8221; &#8220;Joshua,&#8221; etc.), even when He is present in His person, offices, work, and states.</p>
<p>4. I do not understand any such passages as constituting &#8220;hymn fragments.&#8221; I find no warrant to conclude that they were pieces of poetry, or that they were songs, or that they were sung in public Christian assemblies, or that they were uninspired compositions. I recognize the *possibility* of new hymns having been given by inspiration of the Holy Ghost during the apostolic era, while the canon of the NT was still being completed. Such &#8220;charismatic hymns,&#8221; whether or not they actually existed, would give no warrant for men today to write uninspired compositions and presume to set them on the same level with the Psalms of Holy Scripture.</p>
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		<title>By: Matthew Westerholm</title>
		<link>http://www.worshipmatters.com/2007/03/singing-the-psa/#comment-1221</link>
		<dc:creator>Matthew Westerholm</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Mar 2007 14:47:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sean,

Thank you for so articulately describing not only your convictions, but also convictions that many people hold.  I humbly ask the following questions to try to make sense of what you are saying in my own (very fallen!) mind.

(1) Do you believe that 2 Chronicles 29:30 is speaking about the 150 Psalms in our bibles today?  Weren't at least some of of the psalms written after the exile?  And do you sing the psalms written after Hezekiah or is your cannon of psalms compiled after Hezekiah's command?

(2) Do you believe the songs in Revelation (like Revelation 15) are inappropriate for people to sing before the consummation?  It seems to be appropriate for us to sing this in heaven, but what is the reason to wait?

(3) Would you mind clarifying what you mean as "sheer sentimentalism" as the only motivation wishing to corporately sing songs which mention our Savior's name and describes His perfect work for us on the cross? Sentimentalism for what, exactly?

(4) Many people consider passages such as Philippians 2:6-11, Colossians 1:15-20 and 1 Timothy 3:16, to be the apostles condoning of new hymns.  How do you read such passages?

&lt;&gt;&lt;
Matthew Westerholm</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sean,</p>
<p>Thank you for so articulately describing not only your convictions, but also convictions that many people hold.  I humbly ask the following questions to try to make sense of what you are saying in my own (very fallen!) mind.</p>
<p>(1) Do you believe that  <a href="javascript://" title="Show/Hide Scripture" onclick="showhide_esv('scripturizer1845348859');">2 Chronicles 29:30</a><span id="scripturizer1845348859" style="border-color: grey; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 5px; white-space: pre; display: none; padding: 5px; color: grey">2 Chronicles 29:30<br />
   [30]And Hezekiah the king and the officials commanded<br />
the Levites to sing praises to the LORD with the words of<br />
David and of Asaph the seer. And they sang praises with<br />
gladness, and they bowed down and worshiped. (ESV)
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<p></span> is speaking about the 150 Psalms in our bibles today?  Weren&#8217;t at least some of of the psalms written after the exile?  And do you sing the psalms written after Hezekiah or is your cannon of psalms compiled after Hezekiah&#8217;s command?</p>
<p>(2) Do you believe the songs in Revelation (like  <a href="javascript://" title="Show/Hide Scripture" onclick="showhide_esv('scripturizer885465314');">Revelation 15</a><span id="scripturizer885465314" style="border-color: grey; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 5px; white-space: pre; display: none; padding: 5px; color: grey">Revelation 15<br />
   [15:1]Then I saw another sign in heaven, great and<br />
amazing, seven angels with seven plagues, which are the<br />
last, for with them the wrath of God is finished.<br />
   [2]And I saw what appeared to be a sea of glass mingled<br />
with fire--and also those who had conquered the beast and<br />
its image and the number of its name, standing beside the<br />
sea of glass with harps of God in their hands. [3]And they<br />
sing the song of Moses, the servant of God, and the song of<br />
the Lamb, saying,<br />
  "Great and amazing are your deeds,<br />
    O Lord God the Almighty!<br />
  Just and true are your ways,<br />
    O King of the nations!<br />
  [4]Who will not fear, O Lord,<br />
    and glorify your name?<br />
  For you alone are holy.<br />
    All nations will come<br />
    and worship you,<br />
  for your righteous acts have been revealed."<br />
   [5]After this I looked, and the sanctuary of the tent of<br />
witness in heaven was opened, [6]and out of the sanctuary<br />
came the seven angels with the seven plagues, clothed in<br />
pure, bright linen, with golden sashes around their chests.<br />
[7]And one of the four living creatures gave to the seven<br />
angels seven golden bowls full of the wrath of God who<br />
lives forever and ever, [8]and the sanctuary was filled<br />
with smoke from the glory of God and from his power, and no<br />
one could enter the sanctuary until the seven plagues of<br />
the seven angels were finished. (ESV)
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<p></span>) are inappropriate for people to sing before the consummation?  It seems to be appropriate for us to sing this in heaven, but what is the reason to wait?</p>
<p>(3) Would you mind clarifying what you mean as &#8220;sheer sentimentalism&#8221; as the only motivation wishing to corporately sing songs which mention our Savior&#8217;s name and describes His perfect work for us on the cross? Sentimentalism for what, exactly?</p>
<p>(4) Many people consider passages such as  <a href="javascript://" title="Show/Hide Scripture" onclick="showhide_esv('scripturizer1375464602');">Philippians 2:6-11</a><span id="scripturizer1375464602" style="border-color: grey; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 5px; white-space: pre; display: none; padding: 5px; color: grey">Philippians 2:6-11<br />
   [6]who, though he was in the form of God, did not count<br />
equality with God a thing to be grasped, [7]but made<br />
himself nothing, taking the form of a servant, being born<br />
in the likeness of men. [8]And being found in human form,<br />
he humbled himself by becoming obedient to the point of<br />
death, even death on a cross. [9]Therefore God has highly<br />
exalted him and bestowed on him the name that is above<br />
every name, [10]so that at the name of Jesus every knee<br />
should bow, in heaven and on earth and under the earth,<br />
[11]and every tongue confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to<br />
the glory of God the Father. (ESV)
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<p></span>,  <a href="javascript://" title="Show/Hide Scripture" onclick="showhide_esv('scripturizer1347952716');">Colossians 1:15-20</a><span id="scripturizer1347952716" style="border-color: grey; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 5px; white-space: pre; display: none; padding: 5px; color: grey">Colossians 1:15-20<br />
   [15]He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn<br />
of all creation. [16]For by him all things were created, in<br />
heaven and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones<br />
or dominions or rulers or authorities--all things were<br />
created through him and for him. [17]And he is before all<br />
things, and in him all things hold together. [18]And he is<br />
the head of the body, the church. He is the beginning, the<br />
firstborn from the dead, that in everything he might be<br />
preeminent. [19]For in him all the fullness of God was<br />
pleased to dwell, [20]and through him to reconcile to<br />
himself all things, whether on earth or in heaven, making<br />
peace by the blood of his cross. (ESV)
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<p></span> and  <a href="javascript://" title="Show/Hide Scripture" onclick="showhide_esv('scripturizer1894740474');">1 Timothy 3:16</a><span id="scripturizer1894740474" style="border-color: grey; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 5px; white-space: pre; display: none; padding: 5px; color: grey">1 Timothy 3:16<br />
   [16]Great indeed, we confess, is the mystery of<br />
godliness:<br />
  He was manifested in the flesh,<br />
    vindicated by the Spirit,<br />
      seen by angels,<br />
  proclaimed among the nations,<br />
    believed on in the world,<br />
      taken up in glory.
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<p></span>, to be the apostles condoning of new hymns.  How do you read such passages?</p>
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		<title>By: Jared Olivetti</title>
		<link>http://www.worshipmatters.com/2007/03/singing-the-psa/#comment-1220</link>
		<dc:creator>Jared Olivetti</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Mar 2007 10:51:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I'd like to throw my support behind Sean McDonald's comments, and maybe add a few of my own. I should say I'm a pastor of an RPCNA church, committed to exclusive psalmody. 

1. The debate doesn't begin with "only psalms or not?" but with the regulative principle. You either must believe that we are free to do in worship whatever is not prohibited, or you are only free to do that which is commanded by God. Those holding to EP obviously begin with the second view, the regulative principle. If one isn't committed to the RP, this debate almost becomes moot. 

2. If you begin with the RP, then the burden of proof is not on those holding to EP, but on those wishing to introduce uninspired songs into worship. We know that we are to sing psalms (Col 3:16; Ps. 47:7), so psalm-singing should be our basic assumption. Only when God explicitly commands the composing of new songs should we presume to do so. 

3. Re: preaching and praying. For both preaching and praying we have command and example for new covenant believers. Paul instructs us to pray "with every kind of request" (Eph. 6:18) and we see the apostles proclaiming the word uniquely to unique contexts and individuals. But we simply do not see the apostles or early church composing and singing new praise to God. Is this simply Luke's oversight? Or, more to the point, would God have left out something so important? 

4. Though there may be some historical question, all signs point to the overwhelming use of psalms exclusively in worship in the apostolic and early church. 

5. The psalms speak directly, clearly, distinctly about Jesus. Is some of the language shadowed? Yes, but we have the light of the face of Christ to shine upon the Psalter and thus can revel in their full depth. 

6. Finally, and I can't stress this enough, Jesus sang the psalms with his disciples! All commentators agree that he sang the great hallel with his disciples in Mt. 26:30. Hopefully, this doesn't sound trite, but if the Savior didn't feel a need to compose and sing new praise to the Father, if He relied on the fullness and depth of the Psalter, why shouldn't we? 

Truly, I hope these comments come across your screen graciously; I realize topics of worship are sensitive and close to the heart of all those who love Christ.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;d like to throw my support behind Sean McDonald&#8217;s comments, and maybe add a few of my own. I should say I&#8217;m a pastor of an RPCNA church, committed to exclusive psalmody. </p>
<p>1. The debate doesn&#8217;t begin with &#8220;only psalms or not?&#8221; but with the regulative principle. You either must believe that we are free to do in worship whatever is not prohibited, or you are only free to do that which is commanded by God. Those holding to EP obviously begin with the second view, the regulative principle. If one isn&#8217;t committed to the RP, this debate almost becomes moot. </p>
<p>2. If you begin with the RP, then the burden of proof is not on those holding to EP, but on those wishing to introduce uninspired songs into worship. We know that we are to sing psalms ( <a href="javascript://" title="Show/Hide Scripture" onclick="showhide_esv('scripturizer301302341');">Col 3:16</a><span id="scripturizer301302341" style="border-color: grey; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 5px; white-space: pre; display: none; padding: 5px; color: grey">Colossians 3:16<br />
   [16]Let the word of Christ dwell in you richly, teaching<br />
and admonishing one another in all wisdom, singing psalms<br />
and hymns and spiritual songs, with thankfulness in your<br />
hearts to God. (ESV)
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<p></span>;  <a href="javascript://" title="Show/Hide Scripture" onclick="showhide_esv('scripturizer1194814594');">Ps. 47:7</a><span id="scripturizer1194814594" style="border-color: grey; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 5px; white-space: pre; display: none; padding: 5px; color: grey">Psalm 47:7<br />
  [7]For God is the King of all the earth;<br />
    sing praises with a psalm!
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<p></span>), so psalm-singing should be our basic assumption. Only when God explicitly commands the composing of new songs should we presume to do so. </p>
<p>3. Re: preaching and praying. For both preaching and praying we have command and example for new covenant believers. Paul instructs us to pray &#8220;with every kind of request&#8221; ( <a href="javascript://" title="Show/Hide Scripture" onclick="showhide_esv('scripturizer1668334878');">Eph. 6:18</a><span id="scripturizer1668334878" style="border-color: grey; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 5px; white-space: pre; display: none; padding: 5px; color: grey">Ephesians 6:18<br />
   [18]praying at all times in the Spirit, with all prayer<br />
and supplication. To that end keep alert with all<br />
perseverance, making supplication for all the saints, (ESV)
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<p></span>) and we see the apostles proclaiming the word uniquely to unique contexts and individuals. But we simply do not see the apostles or early church composing and singing new praise to God. Is this simply Luke&#8217;s oversight? Or, more to the point, would God have left out something so important? </p>
<p>4. Though there may be some historical question, all signs point to the overwhelming use of psalms exclusively in worship in the apostolic and early church. </p>
<p>5. The psalms speak directly, clearly, distinctly about Jesus. Is some of the language shadowed? Yes, but we have the light of the face of Christ to shine upon the Psalter and thus can revel in their full depth. </p>
<p>6. Finally, and I can&#8217;t stress this enough, Jesus sang the psalms with his disciples! All commentators agree that he sang the great hallel with his disciples in Mt. 26:30. Hopefully, this doesn&#8217;t sound trite, but if the Savior didn&#8217;t feel a need to compose and sing new praise to the Father, if He relied on the fullness and depth of the Psalter, why shouldn&#8217;t we? </p>
<p>Truly, I hope these comments come across your screen graciously; I realize topics of worship are sensitive and close to the heart of all those who love Christ.</p>
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		<title>By: Sean McDonald</title>
		<link>http://www.worshipmatters.com/2007/03/singing-the-psa/#comment-1219</link>
		<dc:creator>Sean McDonald</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Mar 2007 01:53:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I came from a hymn-singing background, but became convinced of exclusive psalmody several years ago, and am now a member in the RPCNA. A few thoughts:

1. The fact that God has appointed the Psalter to serve as a hymnbook for His people demonstrates that His regulation of song in worship extends to which particular songs or songbook will be used.

2. None of the songs in Scripture appearing outside of the Psalter, whether in the Old or New Testament, have been appointed by God to be sung in worship, as the Psalter has been appointed (see 2 Chron. 29:30).

3. Preaching and prayer are elements of worship distinct from singing God's praise, and are regulated in ways different than this part of worship. Besides, "The reading of the Scriptures with godly fear" is another element of worship, as well as these others (WCF 21.5); but no one supposes that we may add our own words to Scripture. If we may not add books or chapters to the Bible, why would we be allowed to add songs to God's perfect hymnbook, the Psalter?

4. The book, as a whole, is called "Sepher Tehillim" -- "Book of Praises," or "Book of Hymns." Additionally, the statement in 2 Chronicles 29:30, that they should "sing praise unto the LORD with the words of David, and of Asaph the seer," is clearly a reference to the Psalter as a whole, not singling out particular Psalms as suitable or unsuitable. And if you will say the Psalms are not all suitable to be sung, why not say they are unsuitable to be read as well?

5. Christ and His apostles found the Psalter to be a sufficient manual of praise. If it were not sufficient, but had to be supplemented by later, new covenant hymns, then God Himself would supply the supposed defect, and add inspired songs to His inspired Psalter. The fact that He has not done so demonstrates that there is no such deficiency in the Psalter.

6. When we sing the Psalms "with understanding," we sing of Christ our Saviour, from the Perfect Man of Psalm 1, to the final "Praise ye the LORD" of Psalm 150. It is sheer sentimentalism, and nothing more, which adds uninspired hymns to God's perfect Psalter, because none of them contain the bare word "Jesus," though they are full of the Person of our Lord Jesus Christ.

God gave us His Word; and with and in that word, God gave us a hymnbook. His Word is our only inspired rule of faith and life (Sola Scriptura); and His hymnbook is our only authorized collection of compositions from which to sing His praise (Solum Psalterium).

God bless!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I came from a hymn-singing background, but became convinced of exclusive psalmody several years ago, and am now a member in the RPCNA. A few thoughts:</p>
<p>1. The fact that God has appointed the Psalter to serve as a hymnbook for His people demonstrates that His regulation of song in worship extends to which particular songs or songbook will be used.</p>
<p>2. None of the songs in Scripture appearing outside of the Psalter, whether in the Old or New Testament, have been appointed by God to be sung in worship, as the Psalter has been appointed (see  <a href="javascript://" title="Show/Hide Scripture" onclick="showhide_esv('scripturizer1550057800');">2 Chron. 29:30</a><span id="scripturizer1550057800" style="border-color: grey; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 5px; white-space: pre; display: none; padding: 5px; color: grey">2 Chronicles 29:30<br />
   [30]And Hezekiah the king and the officials commanded<br />
the Levites to sing praises to the LORD with the words of<br />
David and of Asaph the seer. And they sang praises with<br />
gladness, and they bowed down and worshiped. (ESV)
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<p></span>).</p>
<p>3. Preaching and prayer are elements of worship distinct from singing God&#8217;s praise, and are regulated in ways different than this part of worship. Besides, &#8220;The reading of the Scriptures with godly fear&#8221; is another element of worship, as well as these others (WCF 21.5); but no one supposes that we may add our own words to Scripture. If we may not add books or chapters to the Bible, why would we be allowed to add songs to God&#8217;s perfect hymnbook, the Psalter?</p>
<p>4. The book, as a whole, is called &#8220;Sepher Tehillim&#8221; &#8212; &#8220;Book of Praises,&#8221; or &#8220;Book of Hymns.&#8221; Additionally, the statement in  <a href="javascript://" title="Show/Hide Scripture" onclick="showhide_esv('scripturizer1045238207');">2 Chronicles 29:30</a><span id="scripturizer1045238207" style="border-color: grey; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 5px; white-space: pre; display: none; padding: 5px; color: grey">2 Chronicles 29:30<br />
   [30]And Hezekiah the king and the officials commanded<br />
the Levites to sing praises to the LORD with the words of<br />
David and of Asaph the seer. And they sang praises with<br />
gladness, and they bowed down and worshiped. (ESV)
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<p></span>, that they should &#8220;sing praise unto the LORD with the words of David, and of Asaph the seer,&#8221; is clearly a reference to the Psalter as a whole, not singling out particular Psalms as suitable or unsuitable. And if you will say the Psalms are not all suitable to be sung, why not say they are unsuitable to be read as well?</p>
<p>5. Christ and His apostles found the Psalter to be a sufficient manual of praise. If it were not sufficient, but had to be supplemented by later, new covenant hymns, then God Himself would supply the supposed defect, and add inspired songs to His inspired Psalter. The fact that He has not done so demonstrates that there is no such deficiency in the Psalter.</p>
<p>6. When we sing the Psalms &#8220;with understanding,&#8221; we sing of Christ our Saviour, from the Perfect Man of  <a href="javascript://" title="Show/Hide Scripture" onclick="showhide_esv('scripturizer1796968024');">Psalm 1</a><span id="scripturizer1796968024" style="border-color: grey; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 5px; white-space: pre; display: none; padding: 5px; color: grey">Psalm 1<br />
  [1:1]Blessed is the man<br />
    who walks not in the counsel of the wicked,<br />
  nor stands in the way of sinners,<br />
    nor sits in the seat of scoffers;<br />
  [2]but his delight is in the law of the LORD,<br />
    and on his law he meditates day and night.<br />
  [3]He is like a tree<br />
    planted by streams of water<br />
  that yields its fruit in its season,<br />
    and its leaf does not wither.<br />
  In all that he does, he prospers.<br />
  [4]The wicked are not so,<br />
    but are like chaff that the wind drives away.<br />
  [5]Therefore the wicked will not stand in the judgment,<br />
    nor sinners in the congregation of the righteous;<br />
  [6]for the LORD knows the way of the righteous,<br />
    but the way of the wicked will perish.
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<p></span>, to the final &#8220;Praise ye the LORD&#8221; of  <a href="javascript://" title="Show/Hide Scripture" onclick="showhide_esv('scripturizer941445277');">Psalm 150</a><span id="scripturizer941445277" style="border-color: grey; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 5px; white-space: pre; display: none; padding: 5px; color: grey">Psalm 150<br />
  [150:1]Praise the LORD!<br />
  Praise God in his sanctuary;<br />
    praise him in his mighty heavens!<br />
  [2]Praise him for his mighty deeds;<br />
    praise him according to his excellent greatness!<br />
  [3]Praise him with trumpet sound;<br />
    praise him with lute and harp!<br />
  [4]Praise him with tambourine and dance;<br />
    praise him with strings and pipe!<br />
  [5]Praise him with sounding cymbals;<br />
    praise him with loud clashing cymbals!<br />
  [6]Let everything that has breath praise the LORD!<br />
  Praise the LORD!
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<p></span>. It is sheer sentimentalism, and nothing more, which adds uninspired hymns to God&#8217;s perfect Psalter, because none of them contain the bare word &#8220;Jesus,&#8221; though they are full of the Person of our Lord Jesus Christ.</p>
<p>God gave us His Word; and with and in that word, God gave us a hymnbook. His Word is our only inspired rule of faith and life (Sola Scriptura); and His hymnbook is our only authorized collection of compositions from which to sing His praise (Solum Psalterium).</p>
<p>God bless!</p>
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