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	<title>Comments on: Q&#038;A Fridays - Why Don&#8217;t We Ever Sing This Song?</title>
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		<title>By: Bob Kauflin</title>
		<link>http://www.worshipmatters.com/2007/03/qa-fridays-why/#comment-25022</link>
		<dc:creator>Bob Kauflin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 01 Nov 2008 02:59:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mike,

Often when a church learns a song, it's already been recorded. So to ask them to change it then might cause some problems. But, other times, people give permission to change lyrics to a song for local use. Never hurts to ask.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mike,</p>
<p>Often when a church learns a song, it&#8217;s already been recorded. So to ask them to change it then might cause some problems. But, other times, people give permission to change lyrics to a song for local use. Never hurts to ask.</p>
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		<title>By: mike fast</title>
		<link>http://www.worshipmatters.com/2007/03/qa-fridays-why/#comment-25012</link>
		<dc:creator>mike fast</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 01 Nov 2008 01:43:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>just a thought ...

would it be possible to approach the authors (or is it writers) of some of these 'questionable' songs and ask them to consider rewriting them?

or is that too rude? (not being a songwriter myself i don't know the protocol on this).

but it does seem to me that if so many people have issues with one particular song that can be 'fixed' quite easily, why not make some suggestions?

mike</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>just a thought &#8230;</p>
<p>would it be possible to approach the authors (or is it writers) of some of these &#8216;questionable&#8217; songs and ask them to consider rewriting them?</p>
<p>or is that too rude? (not being a songwriter myself i don&#8217;t know the protocol on this).</p>
<p>but it does seem to me that if so many people have issues with one particular song that can be &#8216;fixed&#8217; quite easily, why not make some suggestions?</p>
<p>mike</p>
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		<title>By: jordan fowler</title>
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		<dc:creator>jordan fowler</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Apr 2007 01:07:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree that if a song is

That said, I shall be deemed another "pontiff" as I do not allow our congregation to sing Lord I Lift Your Name on High without modification.  

To show the Way is not an accurate statement.  It could easily imply a moral atonement or that Jesus was an enlightened guru who was the pioneer of a new way.  He IS the Way.  I know for a fact that the author did NOT have that intent and believes in substitutionary atonement, but as I serve in a Church with a large group of people coming from Buddhism, Atheism, etc. I cannot make the assumption that they will know that the author intended it.    We had changed the line to "You are the Way" but you just informed me this is illegal. Guess we'll just have to flush it  and Brewster's version was sooo nice.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree that if a song is</p>
<p>That said, I shall be deemed another &#8220;pontiff&#8221; as I do not allow our congregation to sing Lord I Lift Your Name on High without modification.  </p>
<p>To show the Way is not an accurate statement.  It could easily imply a moral atonement or that Jesus was an enlightened guru who was the pioneer of a new way.  He IS the Way.  I know for a fact that the author did NOT have that intent and believes in substitutionary atonement, but as I serve in a Church with a large group of people coming from Buddhism, Atheism, etc. I cannot make the assumption that they will know that the author intended it.    We had changed the line to &#8220;You are the Way&#8221; but you just informed me this is illegal. Guess we&#8217;ll just have to flush it  and Brewster&#8217;s version was sooo nice.</p>
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		<title>By: Bob Kauflin</title>
		<link>http://www.worshipmatters.com/2007/03/qa-fridays-why/#comment-1287</link>
		<dc:creator>Bob Kauflin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Apr 2007 18:55:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Christy,

Don't let your gender ever keep you from asking theological questions about a song you're singing! That's completely different from teaching and leading the church corporately. I'd express my concerns and ask the leader if there's another way the song could be understood. If you do that humbly, which it sounds like you would, I think both of you will be helped in the process.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Christy,</p>
<p>Don&#8217;t let your gender ever keep you from asking theological questions about a song you&#8217;re singing! That&#8217;s completely different from teaching and leading the church corporately. I&#8217;d express my concerns and ask the leader if there&#8217;s another way the song could be understood. If you do that humbly, which it sounds like you would, I think both of you will be helped in the process.</p>
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		<title>By: Christy Tennant</title>
		<link>http://www.worshipmatters.com/2007/03/qa-fridays-why/#comment-1286</link>
		<dc:creator>Christy Tennant</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Apr 2007 18:43:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Bob,

Its so interesting that you addressed this particular song here.  We did it this past Sunday in church, and, as usual, I found myself uncomfortable with the last line.  In seeking to be humble and submitted to the leadership of our worship leader, I thought of two scriptures that enabled me to sing the line without judging it: John 3:16 and Luke 23:34.  Perhaps its a bit of a stretch, but it was how I found the grace to let go of my discomfort in favor of submission and humility.

My question for you is this: how best would you suggest handling it when you are not the worship leader, but you're playing on the worship team when a song like this (which you have convictions about) is on the song list?  PLUS, you are a woman, the leader is a man, and you're trying to be sensitive to the directive not to give doctrinal or theological instruction?  HELP!  :-)

Christy</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Bob,</p>
<p>Its so interesting that you addressed this particular song here.  We did it this past Sunday in church, and, as usual, I found myself uncomfortable with the last line.  In seeking to be humble and submitted to the leadership of our worship leader, I thought of two scriptures that enabled me to sing the line without judging it:  <a href="javascript://" title="Show/Hide Scripture" onclick="showhide_esv('scripturizer1476844498');">John 3:16</a><span id="scripturizer1476844498" style="border-color: grey; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 5px; white-space: pre; display: none; padding: 5px; color: grey">John 3:16<br />
   [16]"For God so loved the world, that he gave his only<br />
Son, that whoever believes in him should not perish but<br />
have eternal life. (ESV)
<div style="text-align: right; font-size: 9px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-top: 0px;"><a href="http://www.esv.org/">This text is from the ESV Bible. Visit www.esv.org to learn about the ESV.</a></div>
<p></span> and  <a href="javascript://" title="Show/Hide Scripture" onclick="showhide_esv('scripturizer436981497');">Luke 23:34</a><span id="scripturizer436981497" style="border-color: grey; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 5px; white-space: pre; display: none; padding: 5px; color: grey">Luke 23:34<br />
   [34]And Jesus said, "Father, forgive them, for they know<br />
not what they do." And they cast lots to divide his<br />
garments. (ESV)
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<p></span>.  Perhaps its a bit of a stretch, but it was how I found the grace to let go of my discomfort in favor of submission and humility.</p>
<p>My question for you is this: how best would you suggest handling it when you are not the worship leader, but you&#8217;re playing on the worship team when a song like this (which you have convictions about) is on the song list?  PLUS, you are a woman, the leader is a man, and you&#8217;re trying to be sensitive to the directive not to give doctrinal or theological instruction?  HELP!  <img src='http://www.worshipmatters.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /><br />
Christy</p>
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		<title>By: Evers Ding</title>
		<link>http://www.worshipmatters.com/2007/03/qa-fridays-why/#comment-1285</link>
		<dc:creator>Evers Ding</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Apr 2007 00:34:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wes,

I think many have frankly lost perspective on the place of music in the overall life of the church.  What is a wonderful gift from God to his church to honor him, has instead because the object of worship.

As for the place of popularity in worship music, I commend you to this post from Tim Challies:

http://www.challies.com/archives/002470.php

He quotes, among other things, a satire on modern worship songs, which fittingly includes the following lyrics:

Testimony Testimony
Testimony Testimony
I'll never be the same
Holy holy worthy worthy
something something something something
That rhymes with Jesus' name</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wes,</p>
<p>I think many have frankly lost perspective on the place of music in the overall life of the church.  What is a wonderful gift from God to his church to honor him, has instead because the object of worship.</p>
<p>As for the place of popularity in worship music, I commend you to this post from Tim Challies:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.challies.com/archives/002470.php" rel="nofollow">http://www.challies.com/archives/002470.php</a></p>
<p>He quotes, among other things, a satire on modern worship songs, which fittingly includes the following lyrics:</p>
<p>Testimony Testimony<br />
Testimony Testimony<br />
I&#8217;ll never be the same<br />
Holy holy worthy worthy<br />
something something something something<br />
That rhymes with Jesus&#8217; name</p>
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		<title>By: Wes Crawford</title>
		<link>http://www.worshipmatters.com/2007/03/qa-fridays-why/#comment-1284</link>
		<dc:creator>Wes Crawford</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 01 Apr 2007 23:43:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Evers, I completely agree that it would probably be wiser to skip the song altogether if it has problematic lyrics.  I also completely agree that there is no shortage of great lyrics for Christian worship, if we are willing to move beyond what big media corporations are selling us.

Why does the decision to omit a popular song seem so extreme and drastic to us?  Is it because we feel the pressure to mirror what is happening on the top 10 wall at our local Christian bookstore?  Are our worship bands becoming top 40 bands that specialize in the "worship" genre?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Evers, I completely agree that it would probably be wiser to skip the song altogether if it has problematic lyrics.  I also completely agree that there is no shortage of great lyrics for Christian worship, if we are willing to move beyond what big media corporations are selling us.</p>
<p>Why does the decision to omit a popular song seem so extreme and drastic to us?  Is it because we feel the pressure to mirror what is happening on the top 10 wall at our local Christian bookstore?  Are our worship bands becoming top 40 bands that specialize in the &#8220;worship&#8221; genre?</p>
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		<title>By: Paul Hayes</title>
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		<dc:creator>Paul Hayes</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 01 Apr 2007 14:47:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for a great discussion. The ending we have used for "Above All" is:
"You paid the price in sacrifice
once and for all."</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for a great discussion. The ending we have used for &#8220;Above All&#8221; is:<br />
&#8220;You paid the price in sacrifice<br />
once and for all.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Evers Ding</title>
		<link>http://www.worshipmatters.com/2007/03/qa-fridays-why/#comment-1282</link>
		<dc:creator>Evers Ding</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 01 Apr 2007 06:57:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bob,

Thanks for such a thoughtful response to my question!

I wanted to provide some information regarding Bob's question above, and John's info regarding song editing.  The CCLI website indicates that this is actually contrary to the terms of the license:

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Song Editing

The following activities are prohibited under the terms of the license agreement: altering or changing the lyrics, melody or fundamental character of any song covered under the Church Copyright License.
--

For my part, I think it's important to remember that there's no such thing as a "sacred song" -- at least, apart from inspired Scripture itself.  If a song can't be sung with clear conscience without modification that requires breaking the law -- which should affect our consciences -- then it seems to be it would be better to skip the song altogether, and find others that express comparable truths comparably with no such concerns.

There have been several centuries of excellent hymns that we tend to skim over in favor of more "accessible" contemporary music.  I'd highly recommend, for example, the Trinity Hymnal as a source for rich, Biblically thought through hymns.  One of my favorites, "How Sweet and Awesome [Awful] Is the Place," was discovered there and in few other modern hymnals.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bob,</p>
<p>Thanks for such a thoughtful response to my question!</p>
<p>I wanted to provide some information regarding Bob&#8217;s question above, and John&#8217;s info regarding song editing.  The CCLI website indicates that this is actually contrary to the terms of the license:</p>
<p>&#8211;<br />
Song Editing</p>
<p>The following activities are prohibited under the terms of the license agreement: altering or changing the lyrics, melody or fundamental character of any song covered under the Church Copyright License.<br />
&#8211;</p>
<p>For my part, I think it&#8217;s important to remember that there&#8217;s no such thing as a &#8220;sacred song&#8221; &#8212; at least, apart from inspired Scripture itself.  If a song can&#8217;t be sung with clear conscience without modification that requires breaking the law &#8212; which should affect our consciences &#8212; then it seems to be it would be better to skip the song altogether, and find others that express comparable truths comparably with no such concerns.</p>
<p>There have been several centuries of excellent hymns that we tend to skim over in favor of more &#8220;accessible&#8221; contemporary music.  I&#8217;d highly recommend, for example, the Trinity Hymnal as a source for rich, Biblically thought through hymns.  One of my favorites, &#8220;How Sweet and Awesome [Awful] Is the Place,&#8221; was discovered there and in few other modern hymnals.</p>
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		<title>By: John Keltonic</title>
		<link>http://www.worshipmatters.com/2007/03/qa-fridays-why/#comment-1281</link>
		<dc:creator>John Keltonic</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 31 Mar 2007 20:58:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bob,

Again, thanks for a great blog! Interesting that you used the song "Above All" as an example. Several people in our congregation wanted us to sing that song, but I felt just as uncomfortable with the lyrics as you. Our solution was to change the lyrics (for example, the last line now reads "and you rose again, above all"). Our understanding via CCLI is that this isn't copyright infringement at all.

The situation seemed to provide us with a great opportunity to discuss the importance of lyrics, and seemed to help our entire congregation to a greater appreciation of God's love.

John</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bob,</p>
<p>Again, thanks for a great blog! Interesting that you used the song &#8220;Above All&#8221; as an example. Several people in our congregation wanted us to sing that song, but I felt just as uncomfortable with the lyrics as you. Our solution was to change the lyrics (for example, the last line now reads &#8220;and you rose again, above all&#8221;). Our understanding via CCLI is that this isn&#8217;t copyright infringement at all.</p>
<p>The situation seemed to provide us with a great opportunity to discuss the importance of lyrics, and seemed to help our entire congregation to a greater appreciation of God&#8217;s love.</p>
<p>John</p>
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