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	<title>Comments on: Q&#038;A Fridays - When the Soloist is Out of Tune</title>
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		<title>By: abide_in_Him</title>
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		<dc:creator>abide_in_Him</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 May 2008 20:36:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What do you do when the person leading who can't sing is the Pastor's wife who also has a Masters in music (emphasis on Classical music) and who is a Music Professor.  She has been using full classical voice and vibrato on modern contemporary songs (ie.  Lincoln Brester, Mercy Me -- very ambitious music).  Her mic is up over everyone else.  Many people in the congregation avoid the contemporary service all together and others just stand there and laugh.  Unfortunately, the other praise team members including myself have been asked repeatedly by congregation elders to "play louder to drown out the vocals".  We've got to talk with her, but I'm struggling with having tact and also with the potential this situation has to hit a wall of pride.  I can't tell whether she really can't hear the difference or if she knows she's singing classically to contemporary music and just disagrees musically with contemporary vocal style.  (the rules for singing contemporary are almost the opposite for how one sings classically).  

I remember when a worship leader first told me I was singing with too much vibrato. It really hurt me, because in my heart, I was worshiping God truly with my voice.  After getting over my hurt, I realized that God was giving me an opportunity to learn again and I embraced it.  On the other side of it, I am glad to have had and to continue to have the opportunity to learn. 

I'm hoping to share my experiences with her.  But I can't assume that dropping subtle hints will fix this issue.  People are getting turned away because of the vocals at our church.  The Associate Pastor won't even invite guests because it's so bad.

Does anyone have any tactful suggestions on how to discuss this?  If my family ends up having to leave this church, they will be stuck with only a guitarist (pastor) singer (Pastor's wife) and bassist (pastor's daughter) - do you see another theme here?

God Bless,</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What do you do when the person leading who can&#8217;t sing is the Pastor&#8217;s wife who also has a Masters in music (emphasis on Classical music) and who is a Music Professor.  She has been using full classical voice and vibrato on modern contemporary songs (ie.  Lincoln Brester, Mercy Me &#8212; very ambitious music).  Her mic is up over everyone else.  Many people in the congregation avoid the contemporary service all together and others just stand there and laugh.  Unfortunately, the other praise team members including myself have been asked repeatedly by congregation elders to &#8220;play louder to drown out the vocals&#8221;.  We&#8217;ve got to talk with her, but I&#8217;m struggling with having tact and also with the potential this situation has to hit a wall of pride.  I can&#8217;t tell whether she really can&#8217;t hear the difference or if she knows she&#8217;s singing classically to contemporary music and just disagrees musically with contemporary vocal style.  (the rules for singing contemporary are almost the opposite for how one sings classically).  </p>
<p>I remember when a worship leader first told me I was singing with too much vibrato. It really hurt me, because in my heart, I was worshiping God truly with my voice.  After getting over my hurt, I realized that God was giving me an opportunity to learn again and I embraced it.  On the other side of it, I am glad to have had and to continue to have the opportunity to learn. </p>
<p>I&#8217;m hoping to share my experiences with her.  But I can&#8217;t assume that dropping subtle hints will fix this issue.  People are getting turned away because of the vocals at our church.  The Associate Pastor won&#8217;t even invite guests because it&#8217;s so bad.</p>
<p>Does anyone have any tactful suggestions on how to discuss this?  If my family ends up having to leave this church, they will be stuck with only a guitarist (pastor) singer (Pastor&#8217;s wife) and bassist (pastor&#8217;s daughter) - do you see another theme here?</p>
<p>God Bless,</p>
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		<title>By: Scott Hill</title>
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		<dc:creator>Scott Hill</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Jan 2008 00:29:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>“Finally, recognize and repent of your desire to have everyone think you’re a great and wonderful leader...."

That might be one of the most convicting things I have ever read given its context.  I have a guy who really wants to sing, but I don't let him.  I have never told him why.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>“Finally, recognize and repent of your desire to have everyone think you’re a great and wonderful leader&#8230;.&#8221;</p>
<p>That might be one of the most convicting things I have ever read given its context.  I have a guy who really wants to sing, but I don&#8217;t let him.  I have never told him why.</p>
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		<title>By: Donovan Salt</title>
		<link>http://www.worshipmatters.com/2006/10/qa-fridays-when/#comment-3085</link>
		<dc:creator>Donovan Salt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Nov 2007 19:42:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for taking this topic on.  I appreciate your approach to being honest and thoughtful toward this girl and her parents.  

Please be careful though before communicating that someone is not gifted in music.   I don't know the author of this question or what they tried in teaching this girl so I can only respond to what I often see.  Our culture is extremely quick to label someone as not gifted.   

We joyfully listen to hours, weeks, months and even years of a baby's incomprehensible babbling and get all misty eyed when we hear one 'mama' or 'papa' out of the mix.  If they don't do this in an appropriate amount of time we hire specialists.  We do this because we assume that everyone can speak unless a disability interferes. 

Often we listen to one child try to sing once or twice and all too quickly label them as musically challenged or 'not gifted' because they sing off key.  Matching pitch with another is a learned skill just like talking.  Sometimes a long time (by listeners standards) is needed for this skill to be mastered.

If a person can hear, understand and respond to spoken language then they are demonstrating highly skilled pitch recognition and production.  If they are truly 'tone deaf' then it is extremely difficult to communicate in spoken language (which is just a series of pitches).  

I believe that God created all of us with an inherent ability to sing.  Certainly some are specifically 'gifted' as leaders and soloists.  And certainly there can be specific physical and learning disabilities that get in the way.  Just as in all kinds of learning it can be difficult to tell the difference between not knowing how to teach someone and them not being able to learn.  Extremely gifted musicianship is no guarantee of an ability to teach,  especially at 'lower' levels of learning like pitch and rhythm that most of us are not aware of having had to learn and don't know how we did.

I would tactfully speak the truth to these parents about the vocal problems and stop putting her up front just as you suggest.  Then unless the Holy Spirit prompted otherwise I would urge them to seek out gifted voice teachers who have made the art of teaching their study.  

One more thing,  there is a difference between voice teachers who teach the stylistic parts of music to those that can already sing,  and those who really know how to teach the most basic skills.  Both skills are good but relatively few voice teachers can really do the latter.  If anyone has a strong desire to sing,  I say to them keep seeking and praying for a teacher that can help.  

Donovan</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for taking this topic on.  I appreciate your approach to being honest and thoughtful toward this girl and her parents.  </p>
<p>Please be careful though before communicating that someone is not gifted in music.   I don&#8217;t know the author of this question or what they tried in teaching this girl so I can only respond to what I often see.  Our culture is extremely quick to label someone as not gifted.   </p>
<p>We joyfully listen to hours, weeks, months and even years of a baby&#8217;s incomprehensible babbling and get all misty eyed when we hear one &#8216;mama&#8217; or &#8216;papa&#8217; out of the mix.  If they don&#8217;t do this in an appropriate amount of time we hire specialists.  We do this because we assume that everyone can speak unless a disability interferes. </p>
<p>Often we listen to one child try to sing once or twice and all too quickly label them as musically challenged or &#8216;not gifted&#8217; because they sing off key.  Matching pitch with another is a learned skill just like talking.  Sometimes a long time (by listeners standards) is needed for this skill to be mastered.</p>
<p>If a person can hear, understand and respond to spoken language then they are demonstrating highly skilled pitch recognition and production.  If they are truly &#8216;tone deaf&#8217; then it is extremely difficult to communicate in spoken language (which is just a series of pitches).  </p>
<p>I believe that God created all of us with an inherent ability to sing.  Certainly some are specifically &#8216;gifted&#8217; as leaders and soloists.  And certainly there can be specific physical and learning disabilities that get in the way.  Just as in all kinds of learning it can be difficult to tell the difference between not knowing how to teach someone and them not being able to learn.  Extremely gifted musicianship is no guarantee of an ability to teach,  especially at &#8216;lower&#8217; levels of learning like pitch and rhythm that most of us are not aware of having had to learn and don&#8217;t know how we did.</p>
<p>I would tactfully speak the truth to these parents about the vocal problems and stop putting her up front just as you suggest.  Then unless the Holy Spirit prompted otherwise I would urge them to seek out gifted voice teachers who have made the art of teaching their study.  </p>
<p>One more thing,  there is a difference between voice teachers who teach the stylistic parts of music to those that can already sing,  and those who really know how to teach the most basic skills.  Both skills are good but relatively few voice teachers can really do the latter.  If anyone has a strong desire to sing,  I say to them keep seeking and praying for a teacher that can help.  </p>
<p>Donovan</p>
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		<title>By: Josh Deason</title>
		<link>http://www.worshipmatters.com/2006/10/qa-fridays-when/#comment-826</link>
		<dc:creator>Josh Deason</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Oct 2006 12:39:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think this is a great response to this issue. As far as an audition goes I was wondering if you had any specific suggestions on the best way to hold an audition. Should it be with the band? A one on one audition? A song that they would like to sing or something you would like them to sing (or play if it's an instrumentalist)? Just some questions I had about the practical way to do this.

Josh
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think this is a great response to this issue. As far as an audition goes I was wondering if you had any specific suggestions on the best way to hold an audition. Should it be with the band? A one on one audition? A song that they would like to sing or something you would like them to sing (or play if it&#8217;s an instrumentalist)? Just some questions I had about the practical way to do this.</p>
<p>Josh</p>
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		<title>By: Mike</title>
		<link>http://www.worshipmatters.com/2006/10/qa-fridays-when/#comment-825</link>
		<dc:creator>Mike</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Oct 2006 14:17:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>"Finally, recognize and repent of your desire to have everyone think you're a great and wonderful leader. We often put these decisions off, resulting in greater problems down the road. People are deceived about their gifts, others struggle with why they aren't being used, some wonder about your discernment, and those who are truly gifted have fewer opportunities to serve. Situations like these help us put pride to death and learn what it means to truly care for people."

Thank you, Bob, for this thoughtful response.  I am going to print this out and keep it before me.  When it boils down to it, I believe you're right.  Though not harsh or brash about pride, it is easy to fall into the quieter side of pride that causes you to overlook the main issue.  It would, in the end, be very self-centered to allow this to continue and not confront it in the loving fashion you have outlined.  Thanks be to God for His wisdom and work.

Mike</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Finally, recognize and repent of your desire to have everyone think you&#8217;re a great and wonderful leader. We often put these decisions off, resulting in greater problems down the road. People are deceived about their gifts, others struggle with why they aren&#8217;t being used, some wonder about your discernment, and those who are truly gifted have fewer opportunities to serve. Situations like these help us put pride to death and learn what it means to truly care for people.&#8221;</p>
<p>Thank you, Bob, for this thoughtful response.  I am going to print this out and keep it before me.  When it boils down to it, I believe you&#8217;re right.  Though not harsh or brash about pride, it is easy to fall into the quieter side of pride that causes you to overlook the main issue.  It would, in the end, be very self-centered to allow this to continue and not confront it in the loving fashion you have outlined.  Thanks be to God for His wisdom and work.</p>
<p>Mike</p>
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