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	<title>Comments on: Q&#038;A Fridays - Are We Forgetting the Cross?</title>
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		<title>By: Bobby</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bobby</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Sep 2006 03:23:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Exactly.  I did my own study of the most-performed worship songs in American churches recently and found that an even smaller percentage of songs mentioned the resurrection and heaven/Second Coming.  

Paul said that if Christ is not raised from the dead then our preaching is in vain, we are of all men most miserable, and we are still in our sins.  And to the Thessalonians, when he described the Lord's return, he said, "Comfort one another with these words."  

Many modern worship lyrics are so vague that they could be sung to an earthly lover.  Many leave out substitutionary atonement.  Many leave out the greatest proof that Christ was qualified to make that atonement (see Thomas, feeling the wound in his risen Lord's side and declaring "My Lord and my God!").  And many leave out the refutation of ying-yang philosophy, the notion that good and evil are two equally opposing forces that will battle each other forever: the return of our King and the final, realized victory over Satan.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Exactly.  I did my own study of the most-performed worship songs in American churches recently and found that an even smaller percentage of songs mentioned the resurrection and heaven/Second Coming.  </p>
<p>Paul said that if Christ is not raised from the dead then our preaching is in vain, we are of all men most miserable, and we are still in our sins.  And to the Thessalonians, when he described the Lord&#8217;s return, he said, &#8220;Comfort one another with these words.&#8221;  </p>
<p>Many modern worship lyrics are so vague that they could be sung to an earthly lover.  Many leave out substitutionary atonement.  Many leave out the greatest proof that Christ was qualified to make that atonement (see Thomas, feeling the wound in his risen Lord&#8217;s side and declaring &#8220;My Lord and my God!&#8221;).  And many leave out the refutation of ying-yang philosophy, the notion that good and evil are two equally opposing forces that will battle each other forever: the return of our King and the final, realized victory over Satan.</p>
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		<title>By: B. Catton</title>
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		<dc:creator>B. Catton</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Sep 2006 14:56:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Greetings Bob - Thank you for challenging us to remember the cross and what Christ has done in spite of our sins!  Thank you for helping us to sharpen our discernment in the most subtle means of communication in this day of age, and to always help point us back to the Word and the cross.

There's one concern that I have (and possibly others), given the "cushiony" lyrics of modern Christian artists: outside of Sovereign Grace, which Christian artist(s) would be considered safe to listen to that sings about a crucified Savior?

One thing that's appreciative about Sovereign Grace music is that not only are the lyrics cross-centered and God-centered, but some of the songs have a really cool rhythm and tempo.  For instance, I purchased "The Audience of One" on iTunes yesterday primarily because of the lyrics, especially the second verse:

Let me seek one prize, one great reward
One hope I treasure most
To hear the Father say, "My child, well done
Come enter into all the joy
Found in my Son."

That just furthers my longing to consciously beholding my Savior!  Now when I listened to the song in entirety, the music incorporated in the song just makes "The Audience of One" a favorite of mine.  

Thanks to all who participate in creating cool cross-centered songs all for the glory of God!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Greetings Bob - Thank you for challenging us to remember the cross and what Christ has done in spite of our sins!  Thank you for helping us to sharpen our discernment in the most subtle means of communication in this day of age, and to always help point us back to the Word and the cross.</p>
<p>There&#8217;s one concern that I have (and possibly others), given the &#8220;cushiony&#8221; lyrics of modern Christian artists: outside of Sovereign Grace, which Christian artist(s) would be considered safe to listen to that sings about a crucified Savior?</p>
<p>One thing that&#8217;s appreciative about Sovereign Grace music is that not only are the lyrics cross-centered and God-centered, but some of the songs have a really cool rhythm and tempo.  For instance, I purchased &#8220;The Audience of One&#8221; on iTunes yesterday primarily because of the lyrics, especially the second verse:</p>
<p>Let me seek one prize, one great reward<br />
One hope I treasure most<br />
To hear the Father say, &#8220;My child, well done<br />
Come enter into all the joy<br />
Found in my Son.&#8221;</p>
<p>That just furthers my longing to consciously beholding my Savior!  Now when I listened to the song in entirety, the music incorporated in the song just makes &#8220;The Audience of One&#8221; a favorite of mine.  </p>
<p>Thanks to all who participate in creating cool cross-centered songs all for the glory of God!</p>
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		<title>By: Lauren Wenger</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lauren Wenger</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Sep 2006 17:25:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I was having a conversation with my father the other evening about contemporary worship.  He laments that there aren't more songs of "admonition."  Also, he wishes that our problems and day to day struggles were more often mentioned.  I have to admit, I can't think of many “worship” songs like that--only of some old-time black gospel music. What are your thoughts?  Can these elements be tied into worship music (to be used in a service), or do they only belong in the larger context of Christian music?  Would that depend on where and to whom the listener's attention is finally brought?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was having a conversation with my father the other evening about contemporary worship.  He laments that there aren&#8217;t more songs of &#8220;admonition.&#8221;  Also, he wishes that our problems and day to day struggles were more often mentioned.  I have to admit, I can&#8217;t think of many “worship” songs like that&#8211;only of some old-time black gospel music. What are your thoughts?  Can these elements be tied into worship music (to be used in a service), or do they only belong in the larger context of Christian music?  Would that depend on where and to whom the listener&#8217;s attention is finally brought?</p>
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		<title>By: phil</title>
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		<dc:creator>phil</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Sep 2006 16:46:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks, Bob, for answering this question.  I think your observations are spot on!  

Do you suppose that another answer to this problem, related to #4, is that comtemporary worship songs emphasize celebration and generally "happy" themes, and that, while the cross is in actuality our greatest cause for joy, yet songwriters think that the imagery of the cross (blood, wrath, violence, sin) do not translate into "feel-good" music?  

Thank you for demonstrating, through the Sovereign Grace music, that the theme of the cross can be sung, not just somberly, but joyfully!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks, Bob, for answering this question.  I think your observations are spot on!  </p>
<p>Do you suppose that another answer to this problem, related to #4, is that comtemporary worship songs emphasize celebration and generally &#8220;happy&#8221; themes, and that, while the cross is in actuality our greatest cause for joy, yet songwriters think that the imagery of the cross (blood, wrath, violence, sin) do not translate into &#8220;feel-good&#8221; music?  </p>
<p>Thank you for demonstrating, through the Sovereign Grace music, that the theme of the cross can be sung, not just somberly, but joyfully!</p>
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		<title>By: Julie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Julie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 24 Sep 2006 02:14:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just this evening we were listening again to Valley of Vision, and I was struck by the gospel that fills those songs.  I was made to focus not only on the work my Savior accomplished for my salvation but also that same work that sustains and sanctifies me. Also, from the Fuse album, a song that melts me every time says: 

My Savior's blood is all I need
There is no other sacrifice
That is required
For He became my righteousness
When in love He suffered willingly.

On the cross 
where He bore the wrath of God 
and in my place was lifted up to die, 
and through His death He gave me life.
My Savior's precious blood           
My Savior's precious blood

One sacrifice completely paid
For all the sin that I had done
Against my God
Now I've received what Christ has earned
And Christ received what I deserved

On the cross where He bore the wrath of God
And in my place was lifted up to die
And through His death He gave me life
You've taken all my sin and shame
Thank You for pouring out Your grace
Thank You, Lord
Thank You, Lord
For pouring out Your grace on me!*

Hearing and singing these songs aid me in focusing on the cross and bringing every thought captive as I journey to the Celestial City.  Thank you, Sovereign Grace Music.

*(My Savior's Precious Blood by JonRyan, Sovereign Grace Music, 2004)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just this evening we were listening again to Valley of Vision, and I was struck by the gospel that fills those songs.  I was made to focus not only on the work my Savior accomplished for my salvation but also that same work that sustains and sanctifies me. Also, from the Fuse album, a song that melts me every time says: </p>
<p>My Savior&#8217;s blood is all I need<br />
There is no other sacrifice<br />
That is required<br />
For He became my righteousness<br />
When in love He suffered willingly.</p>
<p>On the cross<br />
where He bore the wrath of God<br />
and in my place was lifted up to die,<br />
and through His death He gave me life.<br />
My Savior&#8217;s precious blood<br />
My Savior&#8217;s precious blood</p>
<p>One sacrifice completely paid<br />
For all the sin that I had done<br />
Against my God<br />
Now I&#8217;ve received what Christ has earned<br />
And Christ received what I deserved</p>
<p>On the cross where He bore the wrath of God<br />
And in my place was lifted up to die<br />
And through His death He gave me life<br />
You&#8217;ve taken all my sin and shame<br />
Thank You for pouring out Your grace<br />
Thank You, Lord<br />
Thank You, Lord<br />
For pouring out Your grace on me!*</p>
<p>Hearing and singing these songs aid me in focusing on the cross and bringing every thought captive as I journey to the Celestial City.  Thank you, Sovereign Grace Music.</p>
<p>*(My Savior&#8217;s Precious Blood by JonRyan, Sovereign Grace Music, 2004)</p>
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		<title>By: cavman</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 23 Sep 2006 20:21:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, sadly this not a contemporary problem.  There are plenty of hymns that do not mention the cross at all (or at least the edited versions in our hymnals).

I don't think it is necessary for every Christian song to explicitly mention the Cross, but it should be present in some of the songs, sermon etc.  It would be absurd to demand each song mention it.  But not abusrd to agree that each service should.

Paul saw all of theology connected with the cross (love of God, justice, mercy, sanctification, discipleship...).  Thanks for answering that e-mail.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, sadly this not a contemporary problem.  There are plenty of hymns that do not mention the cross at all (or at least the edited versions in our hymnals).</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t think it is necessary for every Christian song to explicitly mention the Cross, but it should be present in some of the songs, sermon etc.  It would be absurd to demand each song mention it.  But not abusrd to agree that each service should.</p>
<p>Paul saw all of theology connected with the cross (love of God, justice, mercy, sanctification, discipleship&#8230;).  Thanks for answering that e-mail.</p>
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		<title>By: Jason</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jason</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Sep 2006 23:00:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jim Donahue was at our church recently speaking on evangelism and he made a comment regarding 1 Corinthians 1:18, "For the word of the cross is folly to those who are perishing, but to us who are being saved it is the power of God."  He made a great point that we try to take the "folly" or the foolishness out of the gospel so that others might "understand it better".  Since the folly IS the power of God, what happens is that we take the power out of the message.  

It seems that this may be another reason why some christian song writers don't mention the cross very often.  They want the song to be relevant to those who aren't believers and they may not want to offend them.  It is this offensive and foolish message however, that God uses as His power to save.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jim Donahue was at our church recently speaking on evangelism and he made a comment regarding  <a href="javascript://" title="Show/Hide Scripture" onclick="showhide_esv('scripturizer102026547');">1 Corinthians 1:18</a><span id="scripturizer102026547" style="border-color: grey; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 5px; white-space: pre; display: none; padding: 5px; color: grey">1 Corinthians 1:18<br />
   [18]For the word of the cross is folly to those who are<br />
perishing, but to us who are being saved it is the power of<br />
God. (ESV)
<div style="text-align: right; font-size: 9px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-top: 0px;"><a href="http://www.esv.org/">This text is from the ESV Bible. Visit www.esv.org to learn about the ESV.</a></div>
<p></span>, &#8220;For the word of the cross is folly to those who are perishing, but to us who are being saved it is the power of God.&#8221;  He made a great point that we try to take the &#8220;folly&#8221; or the foolishness out of the gospel so that others might &#8220;understand it better&#8221;.  Since the folly IS the power of God, what happens is that we take the power out of the message.  </p>
<p>It seems that this may be another reason why some christian song writers don&#8217;t mention the cross very often.  They want the song to be relevant to those who aren&#8217;t believers and they may not want to offend them.  It is this offensive and foolish message however, that God uses as His power to save.</p>
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		<title>By: amy</title>
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		<dc:creator>amy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Sep 2006 19:49:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>this lack of depth and mention of the gospel in contemporary music is why I got frustrated with modern praise and worship music...and why I have been so moved and inspired by Sovereign Grace Music. thanks for keeping the cross at the center of the music you produce--I never get tired of "Worship God Live" and "Songs for the Cross Centered Life" !</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>this lack of depth and mention of the gospel in contemporary music is why I got frustrated with modern praise and worship music&#8230;and why I have been so moved and inspired by Sovereign Grace Music. thanks for keeping the cross at the center of the music you produce&#8211;I never get tired of &#8220;Worship God Live&#8221; and &#8220;Songs for the Cross Centered Life&#8221; !</p>
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